Ford To Cut Up To 30,000 Jobs, Close 14 Plants

Spazz · Post by **Spazz** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 1:09 pm

Are you talkin bout roger and me ? I dunno why you wanna blame unions and blame heathcare........ I imiagine its gotta be hard to compete when shits bein made in other countries for slave wages.

Jay · Post by **Jay** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 1:10 pm

What was that documentary about this happening with the GM plant in Flint Michigan.

Post by **Lyion** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 1:51 pm

spazz wrote:Are you talkin bout roger and me ? I dunno why you wanna blame unions and blame heathcare........ I imiagine its gotta be hard to compete when shits bein made in other countries for slave wages.

When 1/4 of your income is going to retiree benefits, you're hamstrung and uncompetitive, regardless of the price of outsourcing or cost reductions. This is due to the unions.

The UAW throttled GM and Ford for outrageous benefits and retirement for their workers at a time when the sky was the limit and people didn't regularly live 30+ years after retirement. They continued to push and push, even when the Big Three were in disarray due to oil prices, stagnation, and international competition.

Today, both companies aren't very solvent due to the massive bills they have due to these packages. I expect both to crater in the next 10 to 15 years, and the fallout due to the hundreds of thousands of retired general laborers getting outrageous benefits suddenly being left high and dry will be on the taxpayers, yet again.

The UAW got what it wanted. They are going to eat the entire US auto industry. Sayonara.

Kramer · Post by **Kramer** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 3:55 pm

what he said....

sad that no one could talk some sense into those group in the past....

the pension guarantee corporation, i think that is the name, should be exploding any time now...

Captain Insano · Post by **Captain Insano** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 6:55 pm

lyion wrote:
spazz wrote:Are you talkin bout roger and me ? I dunno why you wanna blame unions and blame heathcare........ I imiagine its gotta be hard to compete when shits bein made in other countries for slave wages.

When 1/4 of your income is going to retiree benefits, you're hamstrung and uncompetitive, regardless of the price of outsourcing or cost reductions. This is due to the unions.

The UAW throttled GM and Ford for outrageous benefits and retirement for their workers at a time when the sky was the limit and people didn't regularly live 30+ years after retirement. They continued to push and push, even when the Big Three were in disarray due to oil prices, stagnation, and international competition.

Today, both companies aren't very solvent due to the massive bills they have due to these packages. I expect both to crater in the next 10 to 15 years, and the fallout due to the hundreds of thousands of retired general laborers getting outrageous benefits suddenly being left high and dry will be on the taxpayers, yet again.

The UAW got what it wanted. They are going to eat the entire US auto industry. Sayonara.

wait a second here! John Kerry and his friends said that these types of benefits and social programs benefit our country...Are you trying to tell me thats not true!?!

Diekan · Post by **Diekan** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:03 pm

boybutter wrote:what he said....

sad that no one could talk some sense into those group in the past....

It comes from a sense of entitlement. Some smuck who dropped out of high school can't stand the fact that someone with a college education makes 40 grand a year more.