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Postby Mop » Thu Feb 09, 2006 9:42 am

Btw cherry hill in baltimore city - 2 blocks from the second richest houses in the city that range around 1.5 million dollars for the homes - by two blocks I mean 5 min walk.
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Postby Martrae » Thu Feb 09, 2006 9:46 am

You really haven't a clue. My aunt lived in a nice middle class area in a mid-sized city. They put in a low income housing project and the neighborhood was fine. But then the people that lived in the project trashed the place (they actually ripped the aluminum siding off the building and sold it for scrap), were loud and obnoxious, had fights and police there all the time. People on drugs were tripping out in front of the park where the kids played. So families started moving out and housing prices went thru the floor. Soon all the houses were owned by landlords that specialize in welfare housing (since they were the only ones willing to buy) and the whole area became a cesspool of drugs and crime.
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Postby Zanchief » Thu Feb 09, 2006 9:50 am

Martrae wrote:You really haven't a clue. My aunt lived in a nice middle class area in a mid-sized city. They put in a low income housing project and the neighborhood was fine. But then the people that lived in the project trashed the place (they actually ripped the aluminum siding off the building and sold it for scrap), were loud and obnoxious, had fights and police there all the time. People on drugs were tripping out in front of the park where the kids played. So families started moving out and housing prices went thru the floor. Soon all the houses were owned by landlords that specialize in welfare housing (since they were the only ones willing to buy) and the whole area became a cesspool of drugs and crime.


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Postby Mop » Thu Feb 09, 2006 9:59 am

You feel the need to say its someone's fault yet you provide absolutly no solution to said problem that - hasnt been tried -


im gunan fucking say it - you are just like the fucking black ppl in baltimore city now that want drugs to stop murders to stop but then turn a back to the fucking problem in their community.
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Postby Zanchief » Thu Feb 09, 2006 10:05 am

Mop wrote:You feel the need to say its someone's fault yet you provide absolutly no solution to said problem that - hasnt been tried -


im gunan fucking say it - you are just like the fucking black ppl in baltimore city now that want drugs to stop murders to stop but then turn a back to the fucking problem in their community.


Yes, I'm just like the black people in Baltimore because I can't give a ten part political manifesto to stop a huge problem that has been plaguing your country for the last 100 years.

You feel the need to say its poor the black niggers fault. How are you gonna solve it, Mop.
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Postby Harrison » Thu Feb 09, 2006 10:09 am

As it was said, it's not our job to solve it...

It goes both ways.

Fuck them, I'm sick of their shit too. "Their shit" is something you'll never be subjected to up in Canada, EVER.
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Postby Zanchief » Thu Feb 09, 2006 10:10 am

Harrison wrote:"Their shit" is something you'll never be subjected to up in Canada, EVER.


Because?
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Postby Mop » Thu Feb 09, 2006 10:23 am

You point out the problem with out a solution you are a fucking monday morning QB its more than just black ppl - but it starts with them. You want rich white ppl to get involved they need to show that they want their communities back


MLK - his wife many others paved a road for minorites to be Equal but they didnt give it to them with a silver spoon they have to work just as hard as everyone else to achieve their goals. they want violence to stop they want drugs to stop they want the problems that plague ghettos to stop then they need to STAND THE FUCK UP AND TAKE ACTION FIRST - They need to get off their asses ( figurtivly) and say I dont want my neighborhood like this, I dont want to raise a child in this. it's happened on off occasions - in baltimore City hampden is the biggest example - People said they wanted their neighborhood back, Fells point ppl wanted their neighborhood back they wanted to walk the streets safely and have a thriving economy - IT has happened it can happen. The main link between those successful ones - Once people said they wanted their communities back and chased out drrug dealers and took to the streets to deture crime - and let the city know they would not stand for it - oddly enough rich white ppl started buying cheap houses, fixing them up - PUSHING THE ECONOMY

Until the BLACK dominated areas of west baltimore, cherry hill, Druid hill park, east patterson park ECT stand the fuck up and take action against the leaches on their fucking neighborhoods and strive to make it better it wont fucken happen no matter how much police how much govt involvment IT STARTS IN THOSE COMMUNITIES. Until then it is the poor niggers fault that they wont take their comunities back.

You think im gunna fucking walk into one of those fucking neighborhoods and go hey wanna start rebuilding your neighborhood? fuck your insane you wouldnt either you communist bastard ( that was a joke fyi )

oh and stop increasing minimum wage that doesnt help either.


Equation looks roughly like so - at least here.

Poor neighborhood, shitty income, high crime rate + people that live there wanting their communities to be safe + taking action = Young rich investors buying properties = City funding for more than police work = that poor neighborhood developing a self propelled economy = a nieghborhood on the upswing crime and drug deals being chased out to another part of town.

The last part of that is those poor black folk that first lived there, those poor white trash ppl that lived there - their homes are worth more now, they can live safely their children can go to decent schools that can get funding for more than metal detectors. leading to more college education coming from that area, more informed people from that area more people with strong ties to that area - creating a strong communty over lets say a 20 year period.

until people IN those communities take that first - hardest - step there isnt a whole lot the govt can do to fix it
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Postby Zanchief » Thu Feb 09, 2006 10:34 am

I have solutions, you just don't like em.

Where are your solutions, Mop? Or are you just a "monday morning QB" too.

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Postby Mop » Thu Feb 09, 2006 10:47 am

Mop wrote:You point out the problem with out a solution you are a fucking monday morning QB its more than just black ppl - but it starts with them. You want rich white ppl to get involved they need to show that they want their communities back


MLK - his wife many others paved a road for minorites to be Equal but they didnt give it to them with a silver spoon they have to work just as hard as everyone else to achieve their goals. they want violence to stop they want drugs to stop they want the problems that plague ghettos to stop then they need to STAND THE FUCK UP AND TAKE ACTION FIRST - They need to get off their asses ( figurtivly) and say I dont want my neighborhood like this, I dont want to raise a child in this. it's happened on off occasions - in baltimore City hampden is the biggest example - People said they wanted their neighborhood back, Fells point ppl wanted their neighborhood back they wanted to walk the streets safely and have a thriving economy - IT has happened it can happen. The main link between those successful ones - Once people said they wanted their communities back and chased out drrug dealers and took to the streets to deture crime - and let the city know they would not stand for it - oddly enough rich white ppl started buying cheap houses, fixing them up - PUSHING THE ECONOMY

Until the BLACK dominated areas of west baltimore, cherry hill, Druid hill park, east patterson park ECT stand the fuck up and take action against the leaches on their fucking neighborhoods and strive to make it better it wont fucken happen no matter how much police how much govt involvment IT STARTS IN THOSE COMMUNITIES. Until then it is the poor niggers fault that they wont take their comunities back.

You think im gunna fucking walk into one of those fucking neighborhoods and go hey wanna start rebuilding your neighborhood? fuck your insane you wouldnt either you communist bastard ( that was a joke fyi )

oh and stop increasing minimum wage that doesnt help either.


Equation looks roughly like so - at least here.

Poor neighborhood, shitty income, high crime rate + people that live there wanting their communities to be safe + taking action = Young rich investors buying properties = City funding for more than police work = that poor neighborhood developing a self propelled economy = a nieghborhood on the upswing crime and drug deals being chased out to another part of town.

The last part of that is those poor black folk that first lived there, those poor white trash ppl that lived there - their homes are worth more now, they can live safely their children can go to decent schools that can get funding for more than metal detectors. leading to more college education coming from that area, more informed people from that area more people with strong ties to that area - creating a strong communty over lets say a 20 year period.

until people IN those communities take that first - hardest - step there isnt a whole lot the govt can do to fix it


I bolded it out since it is complicated. Putting low income areas doesnt pan out unless those ppl want to succeed. Again alot of this relies on the ppl with in the community to strive for better than food stamps govt cheese and a paycheck from the 'man'

I'm not sure where I stuttered anywhere in that post about what I thought the best solution was but I can run down some others too.

1. Stop increasing min wage. You are forcing companies to pay ppl that may not be worth it - they will cut that job before a company will pay someone who is not worth it.

2. Stop hading out checks to ppl that are not single mothers. and when we hand out that check - we are in charge of it from a govt stand point. You are not spending that money on hair and a forty or your babies dady. You are spending it on rent - electricy and food for your child. The end.

3. Stronger penalties for violent crimes. I dont mean jail time that doesnt work obviously I want ppl humiliated when they commit a crime - kanes, public exections. ect.

4. complete overhaul of our judicial system to go back to protecting the ppl. fuck big govt fuck big companies that chase ppl out of areas then leave it decimated.

5. More inner city big brother programs advertised outside the inner city. Advertise to the burbs more, offer kids funding for college for participating. 5 hours a week is a little to give to change the course of a life.

6. Cities stop buying out ppl to put a target or walmart in place of their home.

7. Harsher penalties with less red tape for drug dealers and users. Fuck that shit that guy on the corner sells drugs everyone fucking knows he sells drugs you can watchi him all day selling drugs. If you are not going to stop him in the community - then the govt needs to take him off that fucking corner and put him in a hole for the rest of his life with enough light to see that he is now sleeping in a pile of his own shit.


the end. I can list more if you want that would help Zan. then again I can scape goat and say it isnt my job. but I am not going to, maybe I should sign up for big brother program - one life is alot to affect and since I live here maybe it will do some good. Either way its alot more than Govt that needs to get involved to keep saying Over 100 years they have fucked this up is great and all - but its not a solution to any sort of problem its just pointing a finger and going lalalala
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Postby Kramer » Thu Feb 09, 2006 10:52 am

ok everything was fine in this thread UNTIL Zan said F&*K FOOTBALL!!!

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    Postby Lyion » Thu Feb 09, 2006 10:57 am

    He's Canadian. He's seen about as much football as he has black people.
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    Postby Zanchief » Thu Feb 09, 2006 11:05 am

    Tip: All of your points have to do with poverty, not black people. This isn't a race issue, as much as you'd love to make it one.

    You recognise that the government is at fault but you don’t think they hold any responsibility to solve it. The very people that have been fucked over are the ones responsible to solve this problem? In a perfect world they would want more and they would help themselves, but it seems pretty clear that given the circumstances they’ve been put in, that isn’t going to happen.
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    Postby Markarado » Thu Feb 09, 2006 11:07 am

    If we left them in Africa in the first place they'd still be fucked up. Most of Africa has proved that.
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    Postby Zanchief » Thu Feb 09, 2006 11:07 am

    lyion wrote:He's Canadian. He's seen about as much football as he has black people.


    ZING FROM THE CHEAP SEATS.

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    Postby Zanchief » Thu Feb 09, 2006 11:08 am

    Markarado wrote:If we left them in Africa in the first place they'd still be fucked up. Most of Africa has proved that.


    Shame about that. And it seemed like such a good idea at the time.
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    Postby kaharthemad » Thu Feb 09, 2006 11:17 am

    Zanchief Returns wrote:
    Yes, I'm just like the black people in Baltimore because I can't give a ten part political manifesto to stop a huge problem that has been plaguing your country for the last 100 years.

    You feel the need to say its poor the black niggers fault. How are you gonna solve it, Mop.


    Well we found a solution...you know Quebec? well...we are sending them there. Let the French Canadians deal with them
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    Postby Zanchief » Thu Feb 09, 2006 11:58 am

    kaharthemad wrote:
    Zanchief Returns wrote:
    Yes, I'm just like the black people in Baltimore because I can't give a ten part political manifesto to stop a huge problem that has been plaguing your country for the last 100 years.

    You feel the need to say its poor the black niggers fault. How are you gonna solve it, Mop.


    Well we found a solution...you know Quebec? well...we are sending them there. Let the French Canadians deal with them


    Sounds good. They won't be Canadian by this time next year.
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    Postby kaharthemad » Thu Feb 09, 2006 12:01 pm

    as cold as it gets up there...they will most likely be dead.
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    Postby Captain Insano » Thu Feb 09, 2006 2:58 pm

    All the black people in california are thugged out wannabe gangsters who listen to way too much 50 cent. None of them give a shit about anyone but themselves and their image.

    You and your 2 percent really don't rate to even have an opinion about how fucked up America's black culture and population actually is. I lived in NO for 6-7 months. It was awful. It was a black city, run by black people, backed by a black state government. It was the most fucked place I have ever been. You can't sit there and tell me that the American government isn't doing enough or is somehow at fault here.
    The race is at fault. Their culture is at fault. The American population is at fault for buying off on their individualistic bullshit and telling them that, "Hey it's ok to be the way you are. We know you have been oppressed. Here have a free handout."

    The road to true equality and the black culture is to start putting boot in ass and stop tolerating their double standards and their stupidly ridiculous culteral dispositions that advocate being a gansta/baller/criminal etc etc.

    The mayor of NO should have been pulled from office the minute that "chocolate" comment left his fucking mouth. This is a perfect example of our country tolerating black stupidity. Had any fucking white/asian person stepped up to a podium in any news conference anywhere and said "I intend to build a white/yellow city" it would have been front page news and that person would have been compared to the KKK.

    I think they should start with the schools. Kids should be stuffed in uniforms. The pants sagging, earrings, gold toof wearing nigger bullshit shouldn't even be tolerated.

    They should also kill hip hop. It's highly entertaining, but shouldn't be allowed in schools. The entire genre of music is complete bullshit.
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    Postby Zanchief » Thu Feb 09, 2006 3:00 pm

    Hi Ralph.
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    Postby Captain Insano » Thu Feb 09, 2006 4:14 pm

    Hello Zanchief how r u?
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    Postby Ouchyfish » Thu Feb 09, 2006 5:50 pm

    Lower tuition fees to actually give the impoverished some hope of getting a post secondary education.


    This made me L O fucking L

    Tell that to these niggers driving 30 thousand dollar sports cars that their Pell Grants are paying for, while scholarships take care of tuition and food stamps and other welfare goodies keep them living large. the colleges have basically become overrun with blacks. (Side note: I have seen two beautiful colleges go down the shitter-graffiti, crime rise, fucking up facilities, etc, once this happened-I am not bullshitting you.) They don't even have to score as high on their ACTs as us oppressive white folks do. (WTF???!!!!!)

    You are honestly clueless, Zanchief, and I do not mean that in an insulting way, I mean that you are truly naive to how fucked up the people in this country have allowed the blacks to become0-which is this untouchable superior entity.

    Please come down here and subject yourself to the bullshit we have to put up with no matter where we go. You can stamp your foot all day and blame the government but it doesn't change the fact that their culture embraces the garbage that a large portion of them persecutes the rest of us with.

    Once you have spent 6 months in it, you will say to yourself "this is so fucked up-fuck this shit!!!" and see things a whole new way. I don't give a fuck how liberal or open minded you are towards them, that experience alone will open your eyes that we aren't just a bunch of KKK Jerry Springer confederate flag wavin hicks, but just honest hard working normal people sick of seeing a large portion of a particular race destroy this country from within.

    The terrorists have NOTHING on these motherfuckers.
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    Postby Ouchyfish » Thu Feb 09, 2006 5:55 pm

    Zanchief Returns wrote:No, I'm one of those basketball fans that remembers the good old days when we had real white super-stars like Larry Bird and Pistol Pete Marovich.


    At least we agree there.

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    Postby Tuggan » Thu Feb 09, 2006 6:01 pm

    Ouchyfish wrote:The terrorists have NOTHING on these motherfuckers.


    HAHAHA, thats beautiful.
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