anyone ever take mescaline

[Ginzburgh]

I always liked mushrooms better than LSD. I hate the "metallic" feeling in your mouth, bones and skin that is associated with LSD.

[Harrison]

The only visuals I ever got were ones I could easily discern the real reason why I was seeing them.

I.E. Shapes in shadows, a bunched up tarp looking like someone curled up in a ball staring at me etc.

I wish I saw shit like other people did/do.

[Drem]

Ralf, you might actually like 2CB then. There's literally no crash afterward. It's a really powerful hallucinogen, a friend of mine who took it on a campout was literally seeing forest dragons coming out of the trees, etc. But it's also an upper, so having a bad trip is nearly impossible, AND as I said, there's no crash afterward. The ramp up is fairly quick, but smooth, then you plateau for a few hours, then the effect lessens a bit for maybe another hour, and then it just ends. That same friend who was seeing forest dragons literally went from seeing stuff to completely back to normal in half an hour.

The biggest downside to 2CB is that it's almost impossible to find; it's incredibly rare. We only get ahold of it when we happen to at random find someoen who lucked into having a stash of it. Oh, and *DON'T* snort it, whatever you do, it is legendary for how bad it hurts. I only did that with a little bit, once, and it felt like someone had hammered a red hot spike up my nose. If you get it as loose powder, buy some blank capsules and injest it.

In any case, the lack of after-effects and comedown with 2CB is completely different than any non-pot drug I've ever tried. Shrooms & Acid both had way more negative effects even during the trip, and left me feeling like crap the next day. Ecstasy didn't have too much in the way of bad effects while on it, but it left me completely wrecked the day after, and still only semi-functional the day after that. 2CB I could take, spend the next 4-5 hours high, then be good again, and couldn't even tell I'd taken it by the next day.

-Arlos

Lol the only people that do research chemicals here are little tweaker high school kids and they go insane after they trip out for like 7 days on 2c-i. Fuck hallucinogens. Draw a picture if you want to see forest dragons.

[Arlos]

Well, sorry you live in The Land of the Stupid People.

-Arlos

[Harrison]

Well, sorry you live in The Land of the Stupid People.

-Arlos

[Gargamellow]

fuck hard drugs...the reprocussions just aren't worth the trip

[Harrison]

Alcohol fucks you up worse than these drugs do, and ever will.

That being said, I wish I did these other drugs more often and less drinking. Would probably be better for me overall.

Unfortunately, society frowns upon it because of "laws"

[Tae-Bo]

after only drinking for 6 months i feel now that alcohol is so much worse for you than a bunch of that shit out there

people who will drink every couple of days then be mortified at the thought of smoking weed are fucking morons

[Drem]

Well, sorry you live in The Land of the Stupid People.

-Arlos

Sorry you take scientist's research chemicals. I'm sure your body will thank you for taking unknown chemicals in the future.

[Captain Insano]

after only drinking for 6 months i feel now that alcohol is so much worse for you than a bunch of that shit out there

people who will drink every couple of days then be mortified at the thought of smoking weed are fucking morons

Totally agree. alcohol does way more damage than weed. It should be so obvious to people, just how you look and feel the next day.

[Arlos]

Sorry you take scientist's research chemicals. I'm sure your body will thank you for taking unknown chemicals in the future.

Uh, sorry. 2CB has been around since the 70s, it's hardly some brand new research chemical.

-Arlos

[Captain Insano]

Alcohol fucks you up worse than these drugs do, and ever will.

That being said, I wish I did these other drugs more often and less drinking. Would probably be better for me overall.

Unfortunately, society frowns upon it because of "laws"

I don't think alcohol is worse than speed/meth/PCP/mescalin/coke/X/LSD or any of the hardcore drugs.

I think the ONLY drug alcohol is worse than is weed.

[Markarado]

I'd agree with that.

[Harrison]

Alcohol fucks you up worse than these drugs do, and ever will.

That being said, I wish I did these other drugs more often and less drinking. Would probably be better for me overall.

Unfortunately, society frowns upon it because of "laws"

I don't think alcohol is worse than speed/meth/PCP/mescalin/coke/X/LSD or any of the hardcore drugs.

I think the ONLY drug alcohol is worse than is weed.

Speed, meth, and coke are all addictive drugs.

Hallucinogens aren't something you take and then later you think to yourself "I NEED MORE."

I don't know enough about PCP, Mescaline, or Ecstacy to comment with any informative viewpoint. I know what they are, I just don't know much about them other than that.

[araby]

it was really fun, if you ever get the chance and you're away from home with no rules, do it. you'll be fine later. I mean, I feel kind of changed forever, but in a good way, not bad. I got the shakes once afterward but I was fine. I googled it but I wanted to know the quick version. thanks.

[Drem]

Sorry you take scientist's research chemicals. I'm sure your body will thank you for taking unknown chemicals in the future.

Uh, sorry. 2CB has been around since the 70s, it's hardly some brand new research chemical.

-Arlos

Rofl when did I even talk about when it was released? It is a research chemical. They don't know shit about its long-term effects. It was made as a legal MDMA substitute because while it attaches to your seratonin producers, it doesn't deplete them like other amphetamines because it doesn't share those neurotoxic properties. Now, though, it's listed as a Schedule 1 drug along with Cocaine and Heroin.

And it was introduced in the '80s. All of you idiots that do hallucinogens are so stupid. The least you could do is some research before you talk about it. I would've hoped you researched it before you took it in the first place. Obviously that's too logical.

[Arlos]

Why yes, yes I did.

http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/psychoactives.shtml

just as a start


Hallucinogens are powerful stuff, no doubt, and they're often mis-used. Do remember, however, that native people have been using peyote & mushrooms at the very least for millenia. If they were completely inimical, they wouldn't have been used for so long.

-Arlos

[Drem]

Wow the first website on Google 2cb search. Impressive. Naturals are always safer than synthetics. Ephedra vs. Amphetamine

[Arlos]

Actually, I go to that site via hyperreal, which is a site coordinating various mailing lists I was part of at one point, when I was helping throw raves. I'm also not arguing that synthetics are safer than naturals, but similarly, the extremely infrequent use (once every 1-2 years, max) of a drug that has few, if any, indications of long-term health issues, is not something that is likely to be problematic.

Now, you want crazy? I knew people who would clean up after raves, find random pills in bags on the floor afterward that had been dropped or fallen out of pockets/bags/etc, and then take them without having any idea of what they were.

-Arlos

[Adivina]

Fuck PCP >< I got some dusted weed a long time ago (I think my freshman year in high school?) and the guy selling it thought it would be funny to not tell us until the next day when we went back to him like WTF WAS THAT!

I didn't have random out of place hallucinations, more like things that were around me were edited and changed. For example I was laying down watching TV and I remember telling my friend Rachel "to change that TV but not THAT one, cause I want to watch two shows", the tv in my mind had split apart and become two seperate TV's and I was not too happy that they both were on the same channel.

[Arlos]

Yeah, PCP is one of the ones I've never had any interest in trying, just because of the potential negative effects, and the risk of addiction.

I actually only really rarely take any hallucinogens, if for no other reason than I will only do them when I'm absolutely sure I'm in a positive enough mental state to enjoy the trip when it happens. One moderately unpleasant experience one time on shrooms where I wasn't in the proper frame of mind was all the reinforcement I needed to remind me of that particular rule. 2CB is something of an exception, because of the upper component to the effect, but shrooms... definitely need to be in the right mental space. I think the last time I did shrooms was a good 5-6 years ago, 2CB was like a year and a half, and that's been it.

Hallucinogens are, as I've said, not something to play around with idly. If you're going to use them, use them carefully as nothing else has as big a potential to mess you up, big time.

-Arlos

[brinstar]

Fuck PCP >< I got some dusted weed a long time ago (I think my freshman year in high school?) and the guy selling it thought it would be funny to not tell us until the next day when we went back to him like WTF WAS THAT!

I didn't have random out of place hallucinations, more like things that were around me were edited and changed. For example I was laying down watching TV and I remember telling my friend Rachel "to change that TV but not THAT one, cause I want to watch two shows", the tv in my mind had split apart and become two seperate TV's and I was not too happy that they both were on the same channel.

that happened to me except it was opium...






...and i put it in brownies.....







.....and fed it to a bunch of straightlaced college dorks...............

[DESX]

Lol you retards that don't think that drugs are worse then alcohol are fucking stupid. You must have tried them just once or some shit and thought you got off scott free with no long term side effects. The only one I will agree on that doesn't really have long term effects is marijuana all that shit does is give you the munchies and you pig out afterwards.

Lol I had a friend in high school that did EVERYTHING except heroin.... he did cocaine, crack, matrix (embalming fluid), ecstasy, meth, opium, LSD's, and shrooms, you name it. I saw him a while back he is totally fucked up big time. He is paranoid beyond belief now cause of all the longterm brain damage from ecstasy (if you dont think ecstasy gives you longterm brain damage you need to do a lot more research and ill be willing to bet you it sure as hell does.

P.S. If you try Mescaline some of the side effects are.
-Feeling of dying or annihilation
-Fear of not being able to return to normal consciousness
-Hallucinogen persisting perception disorder (HPPD)
-Irrationality of the thought-process

[Harrison]

Desx you're retarded.

You saw one person, who obviously had a major problem, and now all drugs are worse than alcohol?

Wrong.

[Trielelvan]

All of you idiots that do hallucinogens are so stupid. The least you could do is some research before you talk about it. I would've hoped you researched it before you took it in the first place. Obviously that's too logical.

Actually, as a matter of fact, I chemically decompiled, tested, and did quite a bit of research during my college years looooong before I ever experimented with anything. This is one of the reasons why I have never touched ecstacy, coke, meth, pcp, heroin, and a slew of other drugs (also why I've tried like hell to get my father to switch off the Tylenol for his migraines for so long). I've also had enough friends and aquaintances OD on me, watched their faces explode, or just turn into completely worthless people in general to warrant my staying clear and away from most of them.

Lol you retards that don't think that drugs are worse then alcohol are fucking stupid

You and Drem have personal biases - I can understand that. By the way, I'm sorry about your friend. I'd like to add regarding ecstacy, for those that aren't aware, aside from the fact that it is an addictive substance, if the chemical composition is off when it's made, it won't just cause instant brain damage, but will kill you in the process. Bad stuff. I highly recommend avoiding it.

However, regarding the rest of what you listed:
Please find me one case ANYWHERE where mescaline resulted in HPPD (flashbacks). The other 3 listed are all results of a "bad trip," and are possible side effects, not probable. Cases of people with HPPD are very nearly all associated with long term LSD abuse, and even then, those cases are rare.

You're right - most illegal (and legal actually) drugs are far worse than alcohol on the human body, but LSD, psilocybin, and mescaline aren't 3 of them.
Examples:
- It is nearly impossible to OD on LSD, psilocybin, or mescaline, but pretty easy to OD on alcohol.
- Alcohol is a physically addictive substance, the other 3 are not.
- Alcohol abuse causes cirrhosis of the liver - none of the compounds in the above 3 cause any known physical damage (and by the way, just in case you didn't know, the myth about LSD being stored in the spinal fluid is exactly that - a myth. It metabolizes and is filtered out of the body within hours like most other things.)

You are also dead wrong about marijuana having any long term effects. It won't kill you by any means, but marijuana does indeed have long term side effects, like severe memory loss for one.

Mind you, I am not, in any way, condoning using anything of the above mentioned, and am not arguing FOR them, or saying that they benefit in any way (well, some do... but that's another thread), but actually know what you're talking about before you spout off a mile of bullshit-laden, biased jabber and make yourself look like an idiot

Glad you had a good time Araby