House passed strip search bill...

Naethyn · Post by **Naethyn** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 4:32 pm

Yamori wrote:
Naethyn wrote:
I guess they shouldn't standardize the voting machines either. It would be horrible to fix the ones here in Florida through standardization. Especially if rich_state_01 doesn't get the machines that use speakers to read the ballot because it wasn't financially possible nation wide.

what

Try rephrasing that analogy in a way that has some vague ties to the subject at hand.

What I've failed to make a point on was the fact that just because some schools are above par doesnt mean we shouldn't standardize the system. Currently, all schools are state institutes, much like the voting system. If a standard is set across the country that is run from federal source the over all quality of eduction would rise.

Yamori · Post by **Yamori** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 4:36 pm

As for the initial thing, meh, pat downs are arguable if there is probable cause. Backpack searches not so much because of the constitutional rights issue of search & seizure. They'd really just be better off with metal detectors on the doors.

Strip searching is just retarded - you know someone is going to abuse it and/or some teacher is going to get his head busted in by a parent for doing it to their kid. And they'd deserve it too imo.

Yamori · Post by **Yamori** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 4:41 pm

Naethyn wrote:
Yamori wrote:
Naethyn wrote:
I guess they shouldn't standardize the voting machines either. It would be horrible to fix the ones here in Florida through standardization. Especially if rich_state_01 doesn't get the machines that use speakers to read the ballot because it wasn't financially possible nation wide.

what

Try rephrasing that analogy in a way that has some vague ties to the subject at hand.

What I've failed to make a point on was the fact that just because some schools are above par doesnt mean we shouldn't standardize the system. Currently, all schools are state institutes, much like the voting system. If a standard is set across the country that is run from federal source the over all quality of eduction would rise.

Voting machines are a piece of equipment used to pick a name from a list. Schools are organizations run/operated by numerous people (usually ~50-200), with enormously large agendas and highly varied funding needs and highly varied interests/needs depending on their location and students. No.

Naethyn · Post by **Naethyn** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 4:47 pm

Yamori wrote:...If there is a demand to make all peoples' educations equal, inevitably it means that either all schools in the country must be amazingly superb - or that those who could get a significantly better education than others will need to be dragged down in the name of fairness and equality. And I think that's insane.

People need to face the facts that equality of education does not exist, nor will it ever. Even under the current socialized system of schools, there are huge differences between schools in poor areas and schools in affluent areas. By all means society should strive for giving everyone a good education - but it should not strive to enforce an equal one....

Yamori wrote:
Naethyn wrote:
Yamori wrote:
Naethyn wrote:
I guess they shouldn't standardize the voting machines either. It would be horrible to fix the ones here in Florida through standardization. Especially if rich_state_01 doesn't get the machines that use speakers to read the ballot because it wasn't financially possible nation wide.

what

Try rephrasing that analogy in a way that has some vague ties to the subject at hand.

What I've failed to make a point on was the fact that just because some schools are above par doesnt mean we shouldn't standardize the system. Currently, all schools are state institutes, much like the voting system. If a standard is set across the country that is run from federal source the over all quality of eduction would rise.

Voting machines are a piece of equipment used to pick a name from a list. Schools are organizations run/operated by numerous people (usually ~50-200), with enormously large agendas and highly varied funding needs and highly varied interests/needs depending on their location and students. No.

Narrock · Post by **Narrock** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 6:36 pm

Evermore wrote:
Narrock wrote:
Evermore wrote:
DPA supporters and others who opposed this outrageous bill called their members of Congress this week to express their disapproval. However, House leaders circumvented the usual legislative procedure to bring the bill to a quick vote. It did not pass through the committee process, but went straight to the House floor. There, it was passed by a simple voice vote, so constituents cannot even find out how their Representative voted.

The bill moves next to the Senate, but it is unlikely to be considered there this session.

funny how this part wasnt posted. God help the teacher that strip-searches my daughter.

Put her in a different school if you don't like it.

this just boggles my mind. It seems you forgot to consider that this law ( if passed) would apply to ALL schools, not specific ones. This ltotally lacks the consideration of the subject. My statement stands.

Well, naturally I wouldn't want just anybody strip-searching my child. I would, however, be supportive of the school detaining a child suspected of concealing drugs or weapons until the authorities get there, and then let the authorities do the strip search. Hey, every child deserves to go to a drug-free and weapon-free school. Get rid of the bad apples.

Post by **Gidan** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 7:03 pm

For all of you who approve of this.

Would you approve if it became law that every US based company had the right to warrantless search of all its employees?

Narrock · Post by **Narrock** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 7:19 pm

Gidan wrote:For all of you who approve of this.

Would you approve if it became law that every US based company had the right to warrantless search of all its employees?

Sysco/Sygma has that policy. As a condition of employment, you agree to random searches of your person, bags, backpacks, purses (for the women), etc. or if you are suspected of attempting to sneak product out of the building, they reserve the right to search you at any time. I think it's great. It cuts back on theft, thereby keeping our costs down, thereby retaining customers, thereby I get job security. Anybody who would be against this kind of search policy is a total loser, and somebody I wouldn't want to work with anyway.

Diekan · Post by **Diekan** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 7:24 pm

Have you tapped your first lot lizard yet?

Spazz · Post by **Spazz** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 7:36 pm

Mindia you dont beleive people have the right to any sort of privacy whatsoever do you?

Gargamellow · Post by **Gargamellow** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 7:48 pm

My kids rock and they think I rock. And everything I do, they know is for them. They would submit willingly to a search if I told them it was for their own good. My kids go to a violent school. This society SUCKS. But we are dealing with it the best way we can. And I agree, children have no rights. Children are to be protected and socialized by parents and society. It isn't like JAIL, either. It is a safety precaution. Preventive maintenance. Get a grip, people. This ain't fucking little house or the waltons. This is USA today and it is a war zone.

I am done arguing this point. It is always insult I rceive when I express my opinion and I really resent the immaturity of my kids being insulted in such a way.

Spazz · Post by **Spazz** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:08 pm

You get insulted cuz you say some of the most retarded shit anyone here has ever seen.

Post by **Gidan** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:20 pm

Gargamellow wrote:My kids rock and they think I rock. And everything I do, they know is for them. They would submit willingly to a search if I told them it was for their own good. My kids go to a violent school. This society SUCKS. But we are dealing with it the best way we can. And I agree, children have no rights. Children are to be protected and socialized by parents and society. It isn't like JAIL, either. It is a safety precaution. Preventive maintenance. Get a grip, people. This ain't fucking little house or the waltons. This is USA today and it is a war zone.

I am done arguing this point. It is always insult I rceive when I express my opinion and I really resent the immaturity of my kids being insulted in such a way.

Did I miss something? Where were your children insulted? You think your kids have no rights, thats your choice. So when is it that a person gainis rights in this country?

Harrison · Post by **Harrison** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:28 pm

spazz wrote:You get insulted cuz you say some of the most retarded shit anyone here has ever seen.

Wow.

Diekan · Post by **Diekan** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:46 pm

For the record I am against strip searching anyone for any reason unless you're an convicted inmate.

But, I want to know what rights you think kids have, Gid?

Besides the usual right to life - what "rights" do they have?

The sooner we stop treating kids like adults and letting them act like adults the better off we'll all be.

Post by **Gidan** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:57 pm

The constitution should stand for all americans regardless of age. These are the laws our country is built on and no where in them does it say you have to reach a certain age to be protected by them. If states want to make laws that treat children differently, then thats what they will do, however no state should be able to pass a law that takes away a right specifically granted by the constitution.

Narrock · Post by **Narrock** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:11 pm

Diekan wrote:Have you tapped your first lot lizard yet?

HAHAHA yuck! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Diekan · Post by **Diekan** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:24 pm

Gidan wrote:The constitution should stand for all americans regardless of age. These are the laws our country is built on and no where in them does it say you have to reach a certain age to be protected by them. If states want to make laws that treat children differently, then thats what they will do, however no state should be able to pass a law that takes away a right specifically granted by the constitution.

So according to your logic - it is perfectly acceptable for a 9 year old to go out and buy a .357 magnum with his/her grass cutting money?

Should we start allowing 12 and 15 years olds to start voting for president?

And, while we're on a roll why don't we just completely do away with trying kids as kids and start trying ALL of them as adults. I mean after all, sinse they have the same rights as do adults why not?

Ohh and why don't we just go ahead and remove all these other silly laws... you want to go out and buy beer at 6? Sure - you have rights! You want to move out of your parents home at 14? Bah go ahead, you have rights!!

Gargamellow · Post by **Gargamellow** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 10:06 pm

i dont give a fuck what anyone here thinks and you, spazz, you sing a different tune here than in game you faggot...

if you people can't handle others' opinions then perhaps you should eat shit and die

Minrott · Post by **Minrott** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 11:36 pm

it is perfectly acceptable for a 9 year old to go out and buy a .357 magnum with his/her grass cutting money?

It was tree trimming money. And it was a .300 Winchester Magnum.

Evermore · Post by **Evermore** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 6:46 am

spazz wrote:Mindia you dont beleive people have the right to any sort of privacy whatsoever do you?

I bet he is for warrantless wiretaps and survellance too

Harrison · Post by **Harrison** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 8:28 am

Ginzburgh wrote:Lyion, I know many, many, many people who received public school educations that are doing very well right now in a variety of different fields. Like anything else, school is what you make it. I have two cousins who both went to the most expensive private school in connecticut and they are now in their late 20s/early 30s and are laborers and live with their parents.

The school had nothing to do with this. School isn't always "what you make of it".

Public or private, sometimes high school just doesn't work in the way it's intended.

Post by **Gidan** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 8:56 am

Diekan wrote:
Gidan wrote:The constitution should stand for all americans regardless of age. These are the laws our country is built on and no where in them does it say you have to reach a certain age to be protected by them. If states want to make laws that treat children differently, then thats what they will do, however no state should be able to pass a law that takes away a right specifically granted by the constitution.

So according to your logic - it is perfectly acceptable for a 9 year old to go out and buy a .357 magnum with his/her grass cutting money?

Should we start allowing 12 and 15 years olds to start voting for president?

And, while we're on a roll why don't we just completely do away with trying kids as kids and start trying ALL of them as adults. I mean after all, sinse they have the same rights as do adults why not?

Ohh and why don't we just go ahead and remove all these other silly laws... you want to go out and buy beer at 6? Sure - you have rights! You want to move out of your parents home at 14? Bah go ahead, you have rights!!

I am not sure how this relates to going out and buying a gun.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed

As for voting, the constitution is actually clear on this, the constitution says that only those 18 and over are guaranteed the right to vote.

The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age.

Now you think if kids have rights they should always be tried as an adult. Does that mean that since you donâ€™t think kids have rights they should never be tried as an adult? We try children as adults in this country when we believe they should be, yet you donâ€™t think those same kids being tried as adults should be protected by our constitution just like adults?

As for the rest, I already covered this

If states want to make laws that treat children differently, then thats what they will do, however no state should be able to pass a law that takes away a right specifically granted by the constitution.

Ginzburgh · Post by **Ginzburgh** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 9:01 am

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Gargamellow · Post by **Gargamellow** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 9:27 am

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p.s. you guys are so easy to piss off..NT RULEZ :hiphop:

Naethyn · Post by **Naethyn** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 11:57 am

Gargamellow wrote:omg I think I love you

p.s. you guys are so easy to piss off..NT RULEZ

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