House passed strip search bill...

[Gargamellow]

I am bi-polar.

But I don't take meds. Haven't since my grandma died. Got a problem with it?

Besides, I don't need them. I prefer to use my energy for learning rather than dumb it down just because some anal buttplugs can't handle me.

And even in my calmest moment, I still agree to searching kids in schools to prevent shootings and drug sales on school grounds.

[Ginzburgh]

I think everyone is a bit bi-polar.

[Gargamellow]

I am really starting to appreciate this guy.

[Evermore]

I am bi-polar.

But I don't take meds. Haven't since my grandma died. Got a problem with it?

Besides, I don't need them. I prefer to use my energy for learning rather than dumb it down just because some anal buttplugs can't handle me.

And even in my calmest moment, I still agree to searching kids in schools to prevent shootings and drug sales on school grounds.

Searching is one thing. I am all for searching them to keep that crap out of schools however i have a BIG issue with strip searching by teachers.

[Gargamellow]

Ok..I see your point. I would allow only searching by officers. I guess the strip searching is a little dramatic. But what happens when some moron has a sack of crack shoved in his underwear and he gets my kid high on that shit in between classes? I am killing me a crack dealer, that's what is going to happen.

[Yamori]

For the record I am against strip searching anyone for any reason unless you're an convicted inmate.

But, I want to know what rights you think kids have, Gid?

Besides the usual right to life - what "rights" do they have?

The sooner we stop treating kids like adults and letting them act like adults the better off we'll all be.

In terms of rights, they're covered by every ammendment except the 2nd. Ie, they have the right to freedom of speech/assembly, protection from unwarranted search/seizure (!) court rights of self-incrimination/jury/double jeopardy/cruel & unusual punishment, ect ect.

You might be tempted to make a straw-man argument that parents themselves can circumvent these rights in some ways, but that's a property issue (that is - the parents pay the bills, so they decide what goes on in their homes) much moreso than an issue of rights in and of themselves.

[Zanchief]

Maybe you should blame your kid for getting high instead of deflecting the blame to someone who really isn't the root of the problem.

[Gidan]

I will just wait for the day that somone decides it time to get even with the smart kid. Plants some drugs on the kid, then ensure there is an anon tip that the kid has drugs. They search him and the next thing you know, drug charges.

Think of all the possible ways that this could be abused by not only the teachers but the students as well.

[Gargamellow]

Good point.

[Evermore]

Ok..I see your point. I would allow only searching by officers. I guess the strip searching is a little dramatic. But what happens when some moron has a sack of crack shoved in his underwear and he gets my kid high on that shit in between classes? I am killing me a crack dealer, that's what is going to happen.

this is where parenting comes in. Children need to be taught this stuff along with a sense of responsibility before being exposed to this.

[Gargamellow]

It is too bad that parenting is being hurt by the sociological responsibilities put on the women of our society. Not only are the women now required to work, but the majority of men are still treating women the same as they were before the civil rights movement, not to mention lack of helping out in the home.

[Zanchief]

Welcome to crazytown. Population, you.

[Gidan]

It is too bad that parenting is being hurt by the sociological responsibilities put on the women of our society. Not only are the women now required to work, but the majority of men are still treating women the same as they were before the civil rights movement, not to mention lack of helping out in the home.

I find this interesting, your not the first person I have seen put it that way. Children and Family both are going down hill, while women are being treated like they were back in the Stone Age. Yet if you look back when women were not treated well, their place was in the home, they didn't work. Our children were actually doing better.

Now I don’t believe that women should be forced to stay in the home. But I do think there is a very strong connection between the women moving into the work force and having less time for family that is bringing down the future of society. Children were once raised by their parents. Now they are raised by their TV or whatever group that is watching them while the parents are not around. Maybe we really need to go back to having 1 parent at home at all times to really straighten out our society

[Darcler]

[Sithos]

Those who are against search and seizures at schools will also be the loudest about the failings of the government and the school system as a whole when something happens.

I am all for keeping schools safe even insofar as strip searching if warranted (In extreme situations and only if the parent signs a waiver to allow such) with the inference that any such activity will be overseen by Law Enforcement who should be present prior to it happening. I can see the outraged parents and/or students when a 14-18 year old girl gets strip searched. Prime grounds for a lawsuit right there (The bad man touched me type of claims).

I am speaking as a father with 2 children. I'd rather them be safe. If that means searching their bags,clothing etc I'm for it.

[Ginzburgh]

But maybe by attempting to make the world more safe, we might actually make it worse.

See the current war for example.

[Gargamellow]

Exactly.

[Lyion]

Those who are against search and seizures at schools will also be the loudest about the failings of the government and the school system as a whole when something happens.

I am all for keeping schools safe even insofar as strip searching if warranted (In extreme situations and only if the parent signs a waiver to allow such) with the inference that any such activity will be overseen by Law Enforcement who should be present prior to it happening. I can see the outraged parents and/or students when a 14-18 year old girl gets strip searched. Prime grounds for a lawsuit right there (The bad man touched me type of claims).

I am speaking as a father with 2 children. I'd rather them be safe. If that means searching their bags,clothing etc I'm for it.

I think most Americans and a lot of Canucks feel the same.

This board is not a good cross representation of society, as we have many young and non typical people here.

[Diekan]

Who you calling non-typical, beaotch.

[Gargamellow]

Gidan: If we went back to one parent in the home society, we would all be living at the "poverty" level. Life costs too much these days. Not to mention, most women would rather have a job. Not me, though. But I am going to do it so that my children have a fighting chance. I currently have $30,000 insurance policy on myself for my kids because I can't afford anything more solid right now. It is cost efficient at least for the next ten years. By then I should be able to get something they can really rely on.

I fear for the future of this country. Not because of terrorists, but because our children aren't getting the love and attention they need fom their babysitters. Instead, they are raising each other. And it is getting ugly out there.

[Diekan]

Gidan: If we went back to one parent in the home society, we would all be living at the "poverty" level. Life costs too much these days. Not to mention, most women would rather have a job. Not me, though. But I am going to do it so that my children have a fighting chance. I currently have $30,000 insurance policy on myself for my kids because I can't afford anything more solid right now. It is cost efficient at least for the next ten years. By then I should be able to get something they can really rely on.

I fear for the future of this country. Not because of terrorists, but because our children aren't getting the love and attention they need fom their babysitters. Instead, they are raising each other. And it is getting ugly out there.

Not to be a complete dick... but maybe you should have waited till you were financially set BEFORE making babies, yeah?

Everyone wants to pop out kids, but no one wants to wait till they're stable and truly ready. Now granted, I do understand that some times getting preg wasn't planned - even if a rubber was used. Fine, maybe once - but twice, or three times?

[Ginzburgh]

Everyone makes mistakes. At least she's trying to better herself. What more can a person do?

[Minrott]

Which constitutional rights pertain or do not pertain to minor's is a legal argument I'm certainly not qualified to argue, neither is anyone else on this board (or is Ixnay back?). It's extremely complicated, not quite so simple as "everything but the 2nd." Just look at any case where a teen wants to refuse medical treatment, etc.

As far as making schools safer, the blame isn't on the schools. This idea that it's the school's responsibility to do this, or to make sure that doesn't happen, or to keep your kid from eating brownies is ridiculous.

Rather than try to correlate the addition of women into the workforce with the decline of our childrens education or behaviors while in school, look at how the attitudes of parents have changed over that same time period. I don't think there were any Columbine shootings in 1941-4 when a extremely huge number of women were going to work because there simply weren't as many men in the country to do it. But what changed around the same time as women's lib and the work movement were the attitudes of families towards what the school's job was to do and what their job was to do in regards to raising their children.

Now days, people need someone else to do anything for them. That's the bottom line of the argument. We cry about the crime rate and demand the government do something about it. We cringe in fear of terrorism and demand the government do something about it(then second guess them when it doesn't work out like we thought.) We are so scared that our children might possibly be in danger when in anothers care that we demand schools to make them safer.

All the while trading away our personal responsibility for life in general so that we can feel safer or more protected. Which is an illusion by the way. There are no weapons, there are constant searches of every kind, and no unsupervised contact with the outside world, yet people still get shanked every day in prison.

Take a good hard look at what a supermax inmates life is like. If you have your way, that's real similair to what your great great grandchildrens life will look like. But at least they'll be safe.

[Gargamellow]

It's a miracle I am here today and I thank my children for showing me what real love is. I do not regret keeping my kid. I do not regret having more. And I do not regret raising them my own damn self. Besides, I am going to look hot at 40 instead of being all saggy and stuff because of waiting too long to have kids!

Our children suffer because we are not there.

And we are merely looking at it from a sociological point of view. You want to shift blame to women, which is a bit stereotypical, but I don't mind. You have a right to your opinion.

If you want to blame someone, blame the government for punishing women by taking away their rights to be at-home mothers and forcing them into the workforce. Some women DO NOT want to work. Some men would rather stay home with the kids. Why can't we make these decisions for ourselves anymore? Because the U.S. government wants more tax money. I could be stereotypical myself and blame the white man for all of this, but that would be too obvious.

[Darcler]

I find people who blame day cares and school teachers for their kids mistakes to be neck-deep in denial.

There is a difference between raising your children, which is what (most)parents do and caring for your children, which is what child care services do.

While I was working at the day care center, I did not raise any of the children. I did not impose my own beliefs or morals onto them. I taught them general common sense (no biting, no eating dirt) and things they will learn in school anyway (colors, numbers, letters, sharing).

Please do not confuse raising and caring.