Vegan parents guilty in infant murder

Gargamellow · Post by **Gargamellow** » Fri May 04, 2007 1:22 pm

How sad. Those morons. I don't think they should get life for an obvious accident. They wouldn't have fed the goddamn thing at all if they wanted it dead. They are just guilty of being stupid. And I think they have already paid that price with the loss of their child.

Ginzburgh · Post by **Ginzburgh** » Fri May 04, 2007 1:25 pm

rofl whatever. "Obvious accident"? Do you know these people? There isn't a possibility that it could have been intentional and they were using the Vegan bullshit as a way to mask their real intentions?

No, let this be a lesson to all Vegan parents who want to take that risk with their baby. If it dies, you go to jail for life. If their baby dying isn't enough motivation to feed it correctly than maybe a lifetime prison sentence will be.

Gargamellow · Post by **Gargamellow** » Fri May 04, 2007 1:26 pm

Be real.

Ginzburgh · Post by **Ginzburgh** » Fri May 04, 2007 1:28 pm

Do you know these people personally? Were you on the jury? Have you even fucking HEARD of this story until I posted it.

There is the world that you WANT to believe and there is the real world and it's filled with some fucked up people. I mean, YOU above ALL should know that ms. civil rights crusader.

Either way, a baby is dead, they are to blame, they go to jail.

araby · Post by **araby** » Fri May 04, 2007 2:15 pm

Honestly Gargamellow you are entitled to your opinion, but I am :eyecrazy:

at how you are looking at this.

accidental? people aren't stupid by accident. sorry!

oh look! we accidentally birthed our child in the BATHTUB because we thought hospitals had germs! then we accidentally didn't feed it! OOPS

Ginzburgh · Post by **Ginzburgh** » Fri May 04, 2007 2:18 pm

Or how about, the day care person accidentally shook the life out of your child because she had a migrain from partying the night before and your child wouldnt stop crying. Of course, no one should be punished because the death of the child is punishment enough for those responsible.

Tae-Bo · Post by **Tae-Bo** » Fri May 04, 2007 2:22 pm

oh wow, some vegans that are completely out of touch with reality

who would have thought

Ginzburgh · Post by **Ginzburgh** » Fri May 04, 2007 2:24 pm

The bottom line is, these people considered the life of an animal more important than the life of their baby.

Darcler · Post by **Darcler** » Fri May 04, 2007 2:36 pm

There is a point, if I were vegan and my baby wasnt gaining weight during crucial growing times and instead was losing weight, I'd rethink my beliefs for my child.

Post by **Arlos** » Fri May 04, 2007 2:40 pm

The real irony is that there are perfectly acceptible soy-based baby-formulas out there, that are just fine to give to infants. There was a perfectly viable baby food option open to them that was completely within their vegan beliefs, yet they didn't avail themselves of it. That more than anything proves to me it was neglect, rather than anything to do with them being Vegan.

-Arlos

Darcler · Post by **Darcler** » Fri May 04, 2007 2:42 pm

The article Mart posted said that she did give soy formula. I dont believe that though.

p.s. soy baby formula smells like swarmy ass.

Tae-Bo · Post by **Tae-Bo** » Fri May 04, 2007 2:44 pm

soy is garbage BTW but that is a completely different topic bwahahahaha :darkangel:

Post by **Arlos** » Fri May 04, 2007 2:50 pm

Darc, look at the video clip on CNN about it. They showed clips from inside their kitchen: all of the cubbords in the kitchen were completely empty, about the only thing in the fridge was Soy MILK (not formula, milk), and the cops said they only found 1 baby bottle in the entire house. Of course, the package of soy milk has printed on it a warning saying that you can't use it to feed infants. But still, if they HAD been giving it formula, there'd have to be some around, right? Plus, when you had infants, did you only have 1 bottle in the entire house? Somehow, I kinda doubt that.

-Arlos

Post by **Martrae** » Fri May 04, 2007 3:30 pm

Good god, no. We had bottles coming out of our ears. And when I did use formula (I started them on it when they were around 10 months old) I had canisters of the stuff everywhere. On counters, in diaper bags, in the pantry.

Post by **Arlos** » Fri May 04, 2007 3:47 pm

*nod* I figured as much. These parents had none of that. No formula canisters in the fridge, none in the cubbords, nothing but that soy milk. Plus only 1 bottle.

So, that's why I think this is a case of idiot parents and neglect, rather than anything whatsoever to do with Veganism.

Doesn't make it any less tragic, though.

-Arlos

Darcler · Post by **Darcler** » Fri May 04, 2007 9:33 pm

For my first, no I had bottles coming out of places you wouldnt expect bottles to be stored. With JJ, however, I use maybe 3 a day, and thats if I am lazy and dont feel like washing it after I feed him. I normally scrub it out after a feeding and put it on the rack. (Not defending these people, just saying how I roll). Pages are loading slow for me so I havent clicked links in awhile so I will check it out later.
Oh, we only have one can of formula at a time also. I divide it up into a formula...holder thing (it has 4 sections and a top with a hole at the top so you just open the section and pour it in the bottle.) or into ziplock bags when my 2 year old decides to hide the holder thingy.

You are correct, nothing we can say makes this any less tragic. Im sad for the baby

Iccarra · Post by **Iccarra** » Sat May 05, 2007 5:48 am

That just disgusts me that they'd do this to their own baby. If they wanted to put the baby on a vegan diet there's soy formula if the mother couldn't breastfeed for whatever reason. You'd never give a baby of that age regular milk, of any kind, for any reason I've ever heard of...their system just can't handle it. Apple juice?! Even if the baby was constipated you'd never give it to them on a regular basis or in high amounts, and there are better ways to handle that. Ignorance is not an excuse...they deserve the maximum sentence, imo.

Eziekial · Post by **Eziekial** » Sat May 05, 2007 7:44 am

Natural selection at work. I have no pity for them or the baby.

Gypsiyee · Post by **Gypsiyee** » Sat May 05, 2007 11:26 am

no pity for the baby...? why.

kinghooter00 · Post by **kinghooter00** » Sat May 05, 2007 11:36 am

wow, thats pretty harsh.

Ginzburgh · Post by **Ginzburgh** » Mon May 07, 2007 7:28 am

He's just being e-tough, just smile and nod.

Snero · Post by **Snero** » Mon May 07, 2007 7:52 am

Eziekial wrote:Natural selection at work. I have no pity for them or the baby.

if you seriously believe this, you make me sick

Gargamellow · Post by **Gargamellow** » Mon May 07, 2007 11:13 am

I am with Snerp on that one.

Post by **Lyion** » Wed May 09, 2007 12:43 pm

Good. Let them rot in jail until they die.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id ... _article=1

Vegans Sentenced for Starving Their Baby
May 9 01:13 PM US/Eastern
By GREG BLUESTEIN
Associated Press Writer

ATLANTA (AP) - A vegan couple were sentenced Wednesday to life in prison for the death of their malnourished 6-week-old baby boy, who was fed a diet largely consisting of soy milk and apple juice.

Superior Court Judge L.A. McConnell imposed the mandatory sentences on Jade Sanders, 27, and Lamont Thomas, 31. Their son, Crown Shakur, weighed just 3 1/2 pounds when he died of starvation on April 25, 2004.

The couple were found guilty May 2 of malice murder, felony murder, involuntary manslaughter and cruelty to children. A jury deliberated about seven hours before returning the guilty verdicts.

Defense lawyers said the first-time parents did the best they could while adhering to the lifestyle of vegans, who typically use no animal products. They said Sanders and Thomas did not realize the baby, who was born at home, was in danger until minutes before he died.

But prosecutors said the couple intentionally neglected their child and refused to take him to the doctor even as the baby's body wasted away.

"No matter how many times they want to say, 'We're vegans, we're vegetarians,' that's not the issue in this case," said prosecutor Chuck Boring. "The child died because he was not fed. Period."

Although the life sentences were automatic, Sanders and Thomas begged for leniency before sentencing. Sanders urged the judge to look past his "perception" of the couple.

"I loved my son—and I did not starve him," she said.

When the judge told the defendants they could ask for a new trial, Thomas hung his head low.

"I'm dying every day in there," he said, "and that could take three years."

Xaiveir · Post by **Xaiveir** » Wed May 09, 2007 12:47 pm

Yay for the justice system working correctly.