How would you feel if your kid came out?

[Harrison]

I'd just be not too happy with him and I'd want to kill whoever introduced him to dick.

Why? I dunno really. I feel like if my kid ends up gay somehow I fucked up or didn't raise him well enough for him to be a man.

It doesn't work that way. (Majority of cases)

While homosexuality can be environmentally induced, it isn't the norm. Most people are believed to be born gay, though it can't be explained why yet. I think it will be a long time until science catches up to that.

[Dylan]

No, Harrison.

Homosexuality is a choice, and everyone who chooses to be gay is going straight to hell because it is an affront to God.

[numatu]

I don't think Jay being disappointed if his child was homosexual has anything to do with bigotry. I would equate it with being disappointed in anything about your child. Being disappointed doesn't necessarily mean you're completely intolerant (bigoted), and you shouldn't feel that it does.

As an example, if homosexuality is genetic, what if your child was born with a genetic mental disorder (autism, etc), would you feel disappointed? If so, does that mean you're bigoted against autistic people? If homosexuality is not genetic, but a choice, what if your child quit school at 14 and became a janitor for the rest of his life, would you feel disappointed? Does that mean you value the accumulation of wealth as a means of personal respect/worth, and are bigoted against those who don't have it?

I think it's completely natural to feel disappointments in things your child becomes/does, and most of the time has zero to do with bigotry.

In the end I think the only question is whether you would still love your child.

[Jennay]

I'd still love my child but at the same I'd be pretty devastated. Not that there is anything wrong with being gay or lesbian, but someday I want to see my daughter have a wedding and babies of her own. My main goal in life is to die an old grandma with lots of kids, grandchildren and great grandchildren. So if I only ever have my 1 girl and she starts wearing flannel, sports a mullet, and hates cock...well then there goes my life dream

[Gypsiyee]

I definitely agree with Haylo on this one - a lot of you who know me know my family history, so I can't fathom ever being upset for any reason other than the hardship they might endure

As far as what Jay said, that's a matter of the whole speculation of if you choose to be gay. I fully believe it's not a choice for those who *TRULY ARE* homosexual (I'm not talking the attention starved lol hey guyz i'm bi! girls who do it to get guys falling all over them) - so imo, it wouldn't matter how you raised them - there are some things that parenting simply doesn't effect. If your kid grows up with a chemical imbalance in their brain and ends up schizo, do you blame your parenting? No, because it's just the chemical makeup of their brain - as a disclaimer, I'm not comparing homosexuality to a mental disorder, it's just an example.

[Trielelvan]

I'd still love my child but at the same I'd be pretty devastated. Not that there is anything wrong with being gay or lesbian, but someday I want to see my daughter have a wedding and babies of her own. My main goal in life is to die an old grandma with lots of kids, grandchildren and great grandchildren. So if I only ever have my 1 girl and she starts wearing flannel, sports a mullet, and hates cock...well then there goes my life dream

Why? I know lots of lesbian couples who have children.

[araby]

I'd almost even be thankful. My eleven year-old has this little girl running after him right now, sending him notes and drawing him pictures. I don't like it AT ALL. She is an eye-roller and she's very disrespectful to her parents.

[Lyion]

I'd still love my child but at the same I'd be pretty devastated. Not that there is anything wrong with being gay or lesbian, but someday I want to see my daughter have a wedding and babies of her own. My main goal in life is to die an old grandma with lots of kids, grandchildren and great grandchildren. So if I only ever have my 1 girl and she starts wearing flannel, sports a mullet, and hates cock...well then there goes my life dream

Pop a few more critters out, and up your chances. Or introduce her to Ellen Degeneres.

[Gaazy]

Just as you were saying earlier though Triel about how kids get so much shit in school, it would be downright cruel for two lesbians or two queers to adopt (or artificially inseminate, whichever) a kid and put them through the school system, ESPECIALLY if it were two guys. Imagine how much shit that kid would have to take. If thats what they want to do, same with being gay, more power to them, but good GOD why put a kid who has no say in through that.

[Ginzburgh]

Again, it has everything to do with where tthey live. My girlfriend's step-sister is a married lesbian. Her wife was artificially inseminated. They have a boy. He's a happy normal kid with friends.

They live in Connecticut, a traditionally liberal state. If they lived in the bible belt and wanted to have a kid It would probably be a good idea to move, but it's not as black as white as you say. There are places where the kid won’t be ostracized by people like you.

[Gaazy]

I dont care where they are at, there are going to be people ANYWHERE you go that will be assholes. Yes, probably some places a lot less than others, but you show me a town where *everyone* thinks alike and i'll kiss your ass, "traditionally liberal blah blah connecticut" or not.

[Ginzburgh]

I guess my comparison between the acceptances of gays in Connecticut or san Francisco or NYC versus the acceptance of gays on the Bible belt was obvious enough. I guess it wasn't.

Like most bigots I think you are using other factors to justify your own insecurities. It's common. "Oh but what about the children!" "Oh but what about what the bible says!" "Oh but what about the definition of marriage!".

[Gaazy]

I couldnt give 2 shits less what the fucking bible says about it. Where did I ever say anything about a bible?

[Ginzburgh]

Reading comprehension dumb dumb.

"Like most bigots"

Typically when an "s" is placed at the end of a word like "bigot" (referring to one) the word becomes a plural (referring to more than one).

The sooner you admit you're a racist bigot and stop blaming other factors for your beliefs, such as "but how are the children going to deal with being so ostracized!" the better. Children are ostracized for everything, kids are mean. You are just using that to justify your own racist beliefs. Why not just say, "I'm a racist bigot, I don't like gays because they creep me out and they are different".

I take comfort in the fact that a hundred years from now people like you will be compared to close minded people such as slave owners, the KKK and segregationalists. History will ultimatley make you a laughing stock. It sucks for you considering it's probably not even your fault you are the way you are. As I have been saying this whole time, it's where you are from and how you were raised.

Sorry

[kinghooter00]

Gay, straight. As long as they do good in school and don't do drugs and support me when i grow old, i'll be a happy DAD.

[Tacks]

Gay, straight. As long as they do good in school and don't do drugs and support me when i grow old, i'll be a happy DAD.

Oh I'm quite sure any child you have isn't going to end up very normal.

[kinghooter00]

right-0.

[Gaazy]

I think im pretty damn tolerant of them compared to a lot of people Did you even read my first post in this thread? It pretty much says in one part "I dont care what they do either way, its their choice, as long as I dont have to hear about it". How is that compared to the KKK or a slave owner or any of that shit? Thats damn close to the opposite of what an extremist would say about it I would bet.
Sure, I may not be a huge fan of their ways, but compared to the shit you mentioned? Not even close. You are blowing this thread wayy out of proportion.

[Trielelvan]

Let me show you why this is flawed Gaazy:

Just as you were saying earlier though Triel about how kids get so much shit in school, it would be downright cruel for a black, hispanic, or asian and white couple to have kids and put them through the school system, ESPECIALLY if it were a black and white couple. Imagine how much shit that kid would have to take. If thats what they want to do, same with being together, more power to them, but good GOD why put a kid who has no say in through that.

Do you see my point? There was a time in our history when this was a very, very real problem and that was exactly the same logic used by people then to justify themselves. An ex-in-law of mine once told me that mixed couples should never have kids - it's cruel to them. That was 15 years ago. Today, it's really no big deal - there are mixed kids everywhere and it is very common. For the most part, no one thinks twice about having mixed children anymore in most places.

I am half asian and half white. I am also a bi mom. I grew up in a household where I was taught that I should portray myself as white only and disregard my asian heritage because we were living in Texas, being that it was right after the Vietnam war, and I was also brought up with the idea that homosexuality is inhuman, sick, and a mental disorder. My life growing up was not easy, but it wasn't unbearable either. It made me who I am today, and I love who I am.

A couple of my good friends are a lesbian couple living in MO... right smack in the middle of the good ole bible belt. They have 3 children. They have experienced bigotry and hardship, yet their kids are happy, healthy, have tons of friends, and live a very normal life - they just happen to have 2 moms, that's all. They are a very happy family. Do you really think they should hide, move, or otherwise disregard their happiness in life for the sake of a handful of angry morons? I don't think so.

I am not calling you a bigot. I don't really think you are. I do, however, think that your view is both narrow and uninformed, and that perhaps this is due to lack of exposure, as well as influence from the overall tone of where you grew up. Really take a moment and look at how similar this situation is to the blatant racism of the previous several decades.

[Tacks]

[Ginzburgh]

I think im pretty damn tolerant of them compared to a lot of people Did you even read my first post in this thread? It pretty much says in one part "I dont care what they do either way, its their choice, as long as I dont have to hear about it". How is that compared to the KKK or a slave owner or any of that shit? Thats damn close to the opposite of what an extremist would say about it I would bet.
Sure, I may not be a huge fan of their ways, but compared to the shit you mentioned? Not even close. You are blowing this thread wayy out of proportion.

Call me a close-minded fuck or whatever, but I would probably try to slap the queer out him him at first.

If they want to be gay and have cocks in their mouth, whatever, more power to them, we're free, just dont try to tell me about that shit.

Tell me this too~ What is it with being a faggot makes people want to be feminine and act like a fucking girl?

Sorry Mr. Compassion...I can't imagine where I could have gotten the idea that you were a bigot.

That might be every day talk in some parts of West Virgina, but in evolved society that's called "hate speech".

[Tacks]

Sounds like normal talk 'round 'ere

[Darcler]

Ginz is right. You can say "I dont care what they do" or whatever you want until your face turns blue. But to go behind that and say stuff like "youll slap the queer out of him" and faggot this and faggot that...well that's just hurtful. Really.
Jay you already know Boy is going to be a huge flaming fagboat. When he comes out to me, I will be sad, only because like Jen, I wont get any grandbabies out of him. Other than that, he is still my son. I will love him just as much as I did 5 minutes before he came out.
Gid has a bet that Bunny will be the gay one though (he thinks one of them will be because I have an extremely conservative family on my dads side, it would be funny). If she happens to be the gay one, it wouldnt effect me as much, she *could* still have natural children.
100% of my friends are gay or bi. I am still best friends with my ex husband and his "husband". I have a coed couple who are both bi. Gid's the only straight one among us.
Being raised wherever and by whoever, while it does effect it some, isnt black and white on how you see things. Remember, extreme conservatives that put Mindia to shame, and every friend is gay.
Also, kids will be made fun of for anything, no matter what state. 2 moms or dads? Not driving the new hotness when you turn 16? Wear braces? More chins than Chinatown? Not wearing the newest clothing trends? Red hair? It could be anything. To look down on a gay couple for having a child and putting them in public school because "they will get made fun of" is just reaching.

God damn it, WHY do I get sucked into gay debate threads? I try so hard to stay out of them

[Gaazy]

Must be hate speech in your society then~ Even the gay guys that I know from high school say fag and talk like that

The second quote was more of a joke, but i'd still be pissed. See the part right after that that said Id still love him and all that.

The third quote, how does that make me a bigot? I just admitted that im pretty tolerant towards gays, but I just dont want to hear about it. So not wanting to hear about it makes me a bad person and a bigot. I see.

The fourth quote, most of them do act like fucking girls. Did I bend the truth or something? I guess the *word* faggot is too much for you and your thinned skinned 'evolved society'.


Triel-
Good for them if they can work through all that. Im not saying they shouldnt be *allowed* to or any crazy shit like that. If people want to try to take a show at it, let em have at it.

[Gaazy]

Awwww, hurtful huh? People that get so offended by meaningless talk dont need to leave their houses. Sticks and stones. People listen and care what other idiots like me have to say way too much.