Markarado wrote:As long as the blacks keep using the word so will I.
That's because you're a racist asstard.
It would be akin to Lyion permitting some members of NT to have a pedophile forum. Sure, we could all just say we could ignore it, but anyone who casually browses the forum would be immediately turned off by it. Many people who frequent the board would be appalled, and anyone who would notice something your reading whether at work in my personal life, would think I'm crazy for frequenting a message board with that kind of subject matter.
Would you all be playing the free speech card if Taxx was holding his Nambla meetings on NT instead of his basement?
I get it, you don't care about strained race relations because most of you are part of the oppressive majority and thus have no need to care, but some of us do.
Either be polite about it (impossible) or we need to do something more drastic.
Ouchyfish wrote:Impossible. Every atrocity against the blacks was always carried out heartlessly by the whites.
If there had been a black dinosaur hit by the asteroid 65 million years ago, we'd be blamed for that shit too.
That was funny...
Jay is Banned? Wow, i've been off the board for a couple of days... Interesting....
The word has many meanings.... But derrogatory use is bad....emmm kay?
from Wikipedia
In the past, nigger was sometimes used as a synonym for "defect." For example, the May 1886 issue of Scientific American, page 308 said, "The consequence of neglect might be that what the workmen call ‘a nigger’ would get into the armature, and burn it so as to destroy its service."
The term nigger was used in lumber mills until the mid-point of the 20th century. It refers to a device that turns a log while it is being stripped of its bark. This may be an off-hand reference to the prejudicial use of the word, as until the machine was invented, this was considered a job too dangerous for anyone other than a black man.
It is also used to describe something undesirable or bad. In rapper Ice Cube's first album; "Amerikkka's Most Wanted", he said "Paybacks a muthafuckin' NIGGER".
In some non-Western countries, the word nigger is sometimes used to describe a color of an object (e.g. "nigger-brown").
Markarado wrote:As long as the blacks keep using the word so will I.
They use the word as a way to deaden the racial meaning. It was started long ago, they took that word (and gave it their own versions) from the racists and made it their own. Therefore, you can't *really* use the word in the context they are using it because you are not black.
Until the day comes where people no longer *think* racist thoughts there will never be true censorship. Mark said he'll continue to use words that the groups themselves use. Regardless of what intentions were behind the statement he has a point. If blacks want the word to go away and loose meaning they're the ones who have to take the initiative. Why can one person use terms another can't? Why the double standard? I'd be willing to bet that 95% of the time the word in question is spoken, it's a *black* person. But then along come that other 5% and everyone's pissed. Even if that 5% was meant as a term of endearment; which in the black community I'M around that's what it has become. Why can one gay guy lovingly call another Fag, but as soon as a strait man does its wrong. If a man calls his wife a bitch she’s mad, but his buddies take no offense when they’re deemed one.
Some claim they want “equal rights” and we need to “build racial bridges”, but then when it comes to *their* side giving a little, there’s suddenly nothing to negotiate. Fire Imus and never let him back, but Vick should be forgiven and get a second chance.
Words aren’t the problem. How they’re used and how someone takes it is what matters. Removing one term or another won’t stop someone’s intentions.
Granh wrote:If blacks want the word to go away and loose meaning they're the ones who have to take the initiative
Well this is entirely false. The reason they do use it amongst themselves is to take away the meaning of it. That certainly doesn't absolve you, a member of the ruling majority, in using it in an attempt to degrade an entire race.
Speaking of Imus. The comparison to Vick simply doesn’t hold up since one was a public figure who only lost his job for running his mouth in a completely inappropriate way. The other is going to jail for committing a crime. Almost no one is defending Vick. Almost no one is demanding he be released. The only reason you hear about the small minority of people who are trying to get him a lean sentence is because people LOVE to whine about the double standard so you eat it right up. CNN runs one piece about a handful of people who are outraged at Vicks treatment and you get all riled up about double standards and reverse racism, when in reality that just is not the case.
Look at Lindsy Lohan. Are you telling me, had a black dude been arrested for driving drunk, with a suspended license, while in possession of cocaine, he would have gotten a single day in jail? Yea, there’s a double standard alright.
Granh wrote:Until the day comes where people no longer *think* racist thoughts there will never be true censorship. Mark said he'll continue to use words that the groups themselves use. Regardless of what intentions were behind the statement he has a point. If blacks want the word to go away and loose meaning they're the ones who have to take the initiative. Why can one person use terms another can't? Why the double standard? I'd be willing to bet that 95% of the time the word in question is spoken, it's a *black* person. But then along come that other 5% and everyone's pissed. Even if that 5% was meant as a term of endearment; which in the black community I'M around that's what it has become. Why can one gay guy lovingly call another Fag, but as soon as a strait man does its wrong. If a man calls his wife a bitch she’s mad, but his buddies take no offense when they’re deemed one.
Some claim they want “equal rights” and we need to “build racial bridges”, but then when it comes to *their* side giving a little, there’s suddenly nothing to negotiate. Fire Imus and never let him back, but Vick should be forgiven and get a second chance.
Words aren’t the problem. How they’re used and how someone takes it is what matters. Removing one term or another won’t stop someone’s intentions.
Punish the act not the word.
It's not a double standard. It's impossible for it to be a double standard because the word was used as a slur and it was meant to be offensive.
When black people took the word away from the racists and made it their own, they weren't doing it so that they could be offensive to one another. If they were, that *would* be a double standard.
Gay people calling one another "fags" is completely acceptable among THAT GROUP, because they are indeed, gay. It's not offensive because it's true. Same for black people. It's acceptable among THAT GROUP to use that word, because they are indeed, black, and the word was initially used to refer to black people. It would be a double standard, however, if they were *trying* to offend one another. But they obviously aren't...
It's not a double standard. It's impossible for it to be a double standard because the word was used as a slur and it was meant to be offensive.
The double standard comes into play when they're allowed to call me a cracker, but I can't even say or type "the N Word" for fear it might offend someone.
"Cracker" comes from slave times too. The white guy was the one "cracking" the whip so he was a "cracker". Why is it ok for pretty much every single race, sex and orientation out there to use hateful terms to describe a white male, but not ok for the that same white male to write certain words regardless of the context?
It shouldn't be acceptable either way. 'He said, she said' justifications don't really give you the moral high ground, or any sort of basis for a valid argument.
Certain things transcend simple political correctness. A Nazi symbol in Germany is just a simple picture, and yet due to what represents for that country it is taboo.
What saves a man is to take a step. Then another step. – C. S. Lewis
You act like your "group" doesn't bitch and moan about the use of the term cracker all the time. I hear these arguments for double standards ALL THE TIME. You complain about them calling you cracker. They complain about you call them insanely worse names. The only difference is they are the minority where as you are the majority.
I can appreciate a lot of these posts but I don't think global filtering will solve it.
It isn't just about race either. It is about where you come from and I don't mean africa.
Back in the day as a stock guy at k-mart, in high school, I worked with a black guy and he and I used to party in downtown detroit about every weekend. I went to parties where I thought I was the only white guy in 10 miles, I went to locations where my buddy would say, don't even get out of the car or you'll cause trouble. Partied with him and another white guy he grew up with, in the less fortunate parts of detroit and the white guy could call black guys ni@@er without any problem because he grew up on the "streets".
Now, in talking about this with my black friend, he made it clear that if "I" called him ni@@er he'd have a big issue with that as I don't "understand".
I caught crap from him one day when I called him "boy". Something like "hey boy whats up". He got in my face asking what I meant by "boy".
It isn't just blacks, it seems to me it is a "class" of person and if you're amongst this "class" it is ok, but if you're not, well, now you have trouble.
ClakarEQ wrote:In the end, it's a fucking word, get over it.
The "it's just a word" argument doesn't work for me. Are you saying there is nothing that could be said on this board that couldn't just be shrugged off?
So being the minority makes it ok? Is it ok for me to go to China and call everyone chinky just because I'm the minority? Next time I'm in Mexico I'll call everyone a wetback and see how that goes.
My "group" absolutely bitches about reverse racism, and two wrongs don't make a right. My argument isn't that I should be allowed to say the NW because others can say cracker, but that the words themselves aren't the problem. Saying the NW doesn't make me racist. Saying racist things *would*.
That dress doesn't make you look fat your ass does. Don't blame the dress for what's making someone nasty. Get rid of the dress and they're still fat. Get rid of that word and people are still racist.
No it doesn't make it ok. You're completely missing the point. One is bad, the other is worse. Don't do either.
So you support my idea to have a Nambla forum on the board? You would be ok with that at a board you frequent? It's all subjective. Censorship isn't black and white.
Yes, that is correct. Nothing written on this board should cause someone such distress or you shouldn't come to this board.
The times I've seen it used it was to excite or piss someone off. The intent is obvious and the folks here should have the maturity to see through it. If you can't or refuse to then don't come here.
Zan, perhaps I've missed your point. Are you suggesting that no one should ever speak / write this word, of any class, race, religion, etc? Or is it only when non-blacks use it?
As for cracker, I missed the boat on that one, I always assumed it was in reference to saltene(sp) crackers (you know the white ones LOL).
Also, who here is saying lets have a n word hater forum? It isn't like the word is used all that often here.
ClakarEQ wrote:Zan, perhaps I've missed your point. Are you suggesting that no one should ever speak / write this word, of any class, race, religion, etc? Or is it only when non-blacks use it?
I'm defending Lyions decision to censor it from our forum. Do you frequent any other forums on the internet, Clakar? I guarantee it's banned there.
ClakarEQ wrote:Also, who here is saying lets have a n word hater forum? It isn't like the word is used all that often here.
It is.
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