NFL Week 1

[Tikker]

PS, it deffinatly was tougher to pass in the 70's.

However the rules that were changed in the passing department were geared toward long pass plays. The west coast, which runs primary slants, and flat passes were hardly effected by the rules set forth in the 70's.

the rule changes to the passing game completely changed the mentality of how certain coaches approached the game

Walsh didn't single handedly come up with his offence, he was the guy who put the best implementation of it into the NFL tho

[Xaiveir]

PS, it deffinatly was tougher to pass in the 70's.

However the rules that were changed in the passing department were geared toward long pass plays. The west coast, which runs primary slants, and flat passes were hardly effected by the rules set forth in the 70's.

the rule changes to the passing game completely changed the mentality of how certain coaches approached the game

Walsh didn't single handedly come up with his offence, he was the guy who put the best implementation of it into the NFL tho

Not arguing that at all. I am sure there were many people that attempted some form of that offense. I am not saying otherwise. But the fact that Walsh's actual scheme completly changed the way defenses prepared for a team is not debatable.

Hell it was first used by the chargers in the '60s but it didnt come with as much success. Walsh's version of it is what is now used widely in football (or some hybrid).

I mean there were plenty of people in history trying to make an airplane, But you do not get credit unless it actually worked correctly. Walsh's "airplane" worked. Worked so well in fact teams adopted new ways of thinking about defense and how to handle it.

Now, that aside back to the original point. Rule changes in the NFL did not make the West coast offense work.

[Tikker]

without the rule changes, the west coast offense would never have been born

[Xaiveir]

A version of it existed before the rule changes.

[Dimuza]

The Browns traded Frye to Seattle today. Quinn might be starting his first game real soon.

I guess no one remembers...uh....that one fucking guy.

tim couch.

he was another 'future great QB' that got thrown to the lions.

[Xaiveir]

The Browns traded Frye to Seattle today. Quinn might be starting his first game real soon.

I guess no one remembers...uh....that one fucking guy.

tim couch.

he was another 'future great QB' that got thrown to the lions.

Couch was demolished by defenses, because of the Browns shotty offensive line though. As was David Carr with the Texans the last few years.

You put any QB behind those offensive lines, and they will not amount to anything.

[Dimuza]

well, yeah, I know. I'm just saying.....if you gave us brett favre of 15 years ago, we'd still be struggling because of a weak supporting cast.

jesus as a qb wouldn't save the browns - I'm always amazed that anyone thinks throwing some new kid in there is going to do anything at all for us.

you aint going to get a Big Ben if he doesn't have anyone to throw to, or hand off to.

[Xaiveir]

Browns are finally learning their lesson. Selecting Brady Quinn i believe is going to wind up being a steal in the draft. He has some talent offensively around him now, and selecting Joe Thomas in the first round, and having signed LeCharles Bentley before last year with turn into a vast improvement on the offensive line.

They are headed in the right way. I give them another 2 years before they really start competing for a playoff spot.

[Arlos]

Actually, legislating accurate injury reports is something the NFL considers to be anti-corruption, especially from gamblers.

Say some important player is hurt, and the teams don't have to announce it: You now open a window for bookies, etc. to bribe players/employees to get the accurate info so they can make bets with privileged knowledge, and clean up. If all injuries have to be reported, and reported accurately, however, there's no such risk.

-Arlos

[Tikker]

exactly

Roethlisberger isn't that great of a QB

he's the right kind of QB for a strong running team tho

[Tikker]

A version of it existed before the rule changes.

let's go at it from a different angle then

If a non-successful version existed pre-rule change, what makes walsh the genius?

he managed to get maybe the best QB of his era paired with the best WR of all time (along with a couple of other good recievers before rice) as well as one of the top 5 running backs of the era

did the system make those players, or were the right players finally plugged in to make the system work?