Chris Collensworth

[Diekan]

Said this "this is the greatest team ever" - referring to the Patriots.

I don't think he's too far off the mark. They could easily go undefeated and win the SB. They're also one of the classiest teams in the league. Not a lot of trash talking, no chest thumping from self-proclaimed superstars, etc...

You can say what you want about them, or bring up the Steel curtain, the 85 Bears, the 72 Dolphins... whatever you like, but Collensworth might not be far from the truth on this one.

Yeah... Cameragate... whatever... they ALL do it, or some form of it... save it... it's old.

[Ouchyfish]

That team couldn't ever get past the 85 Bears. They would embarass themfuckingselves just like they did back then. God damn I wish it had been a Miami/Chicago showdown that year in the Superbowl.

[Harrison]

If the 85 bears magically came back in full form, they'd be dominated by them.

Completely different era of playing. Trying to compare old players to the top tier of talent now is comparing apples to oranges.

[Ouchyfish]

Bullshit. That defense would fucking break them in half.

The 49er's highly praised offensive machine was totally abused by the Bears' defense. Even the great Joe Montana seemed a little shell shocked after taking seven sacks and running for his life all game long. The final score was 26-10 in favor of the Bears, but the game was never really that close.

[Harrison]

They couldn't handle an offense of today, end of story. Never mind one of the best teams overall, if not THE best.

[Diekan]

Bullshit. That defense would fucking break them in half.

The 49er's highly praised offensive machine was totally abused by the Bears' defense. Even the great Joe Montana seemed a little shell shocked after taking seven sacks and running for his life all game long. The final score was 26-10 in favor of the Bears, but the game was never really that close.

With the weapons of today's Pats... the 85 Bears would get destroyed. New England was using a back up, back up, back up, back up RB and STILL getting into the Cowgirl's secondary. Never mind Moss and the rest of the weapons.

Pats of 07 against the Bears of 85 would be like an F22 Raptor against a kite.

Collensworth HATES NE, so for him to make that statement does carry some merrit.

[Tikker]

Bullshit. That defense would fucking break them in half.

The 49er's highly praised offensive machine was totally abused by the Bears' defense. Even the great Joe Montana seemed a little shell shocked after taking seven sacks and running for his life all game long. The final score was 26-10 in favor of the Bears, but the game was never really that close.

With the weapons of today's Pats... the 85 Bears would get destroyed. New England was using a back up, back up, back up, back up RB and STILL getting into the Cowgirl's secondary. Never mind Moss and the rest of the weapons.

Pats of 07 against the Bears of 85 would be like an F22 Raptor against a kite.

Collensworth HATES NE, so for him to make that statement does carry some merrit.

get your head out of your ass

NE hasn't played a real team yet (and no, the fucking cowboys are not a real team)

if NE stomps the colts and the jags, then we can revisit it. but 5 or 6 games into a season is way too early to start talking about greatest team ever

[Diekan]

IF we still had goats I'd put every single one of them on the Indy game next weekend (the 4th). NE will win. They'll beat the Jags too.

I'll be there, at the sports bar, Bruschi jersey and all watching and laughing at the ass whipping Peyton Fagging and the rest of the Dolts are about to endure.

The Jags aren't going to be a problem either. In all actuallity it's teams like Miami that should they should be worried about. They have nothing to lose and everything to gain... any given Sunday.

[Phlegm]

In the twelve years since the Bears dominate with that defense, the NFL has changed many rules in favor of the offense.

[Tikker]

In the twelve years since the Bears dominate with that defense, the NFL has changed many rules in favor of the offense.

teams have also now had a few years to figure out the 4-6

ps, you mean 22 years

[Ouchyfish]

Anyone that thinks NE this year could beat the Bears in 1985 are either out of their fucking minds, hopeless fanboys, or too fucking young to remember what that season was like. That fucking team was a very pissed off Satan broke up into 50 dudes.

[Arlos]

I think the 1989 49ers could've beat the 1985 Bears. I honestly think that 49ers team is the best ever assembled. Montana in his prime. Rice in his. Lott in his. Do I need to go on? Hell, they had a HOF QB as a backup who couldn't get off the bench.

As for if that 49ers team played this edition of the Pats, the 49ers would cream them. You think Moss would be anywhere near as eager to go up and get that ball after he got steamrolled by one of Lott's monster hits, knowing Moss's fragile psyche? I think not. Not to mention, I'm pretty confident that Walsh could've coached the pants off of Belichek. Plus the 49ers had star-caliber players at pretty much every single position, because they COULD. The Cap wasn't in place yet, so teams with deep pockets could completely stack the field, and the 49ers had VERY deep pockets.

Now, if you want to say that the Pats are the greatest team of the Cap era, I might buy that. But greatest team ever? Not a chance.

-Arlos

[Tikker]

I think the 1989 49ers could've beat the 1985 Bears. I honestly think that 49ers team is the best ever assembled. Montana in his prime. Rice in his. Lott in his. Do I need to go on? Hell, they had a HOF QB as a backup who couldn't get off the bench.

As for if that 49ers team played this edition of the Pats, the 49ers would cream them. You think Moss would be anywhere near as eager to go up and get that ball after he got steamrolled by one of Lott's monster hits, knowing Moss's fragile psyche? I think not. Not to mention, I'm pretty confident that Walsh could've coached the pants off of Belichek. Plus the 49ers had star-caliber players at pretty much every single position, because they COULD. The Cap wasn't in place yet, so teams with deep pockets could completely stack the field, and the 49ers had VERY deep pockets.

Now, if you want to say that the Pats are the greatest team of the Cap era, I might buy that. But greatest team ever? Not a chance.

-Arlos

and any of the 80's 49ers teams would have been jabowned by any of the steelers teams of the 70's

[Arlos]

Are you high?

-Arlos

[Tikker]

Are you high?

-Arlos

I'd say if it came down to between you and me, i'd mortgage my house and bet you were the one who was high


if you put the 80s 49er teams against the 70's steelers, you'd lose ~
you're not going to run on those teams at all, and west coast without a running game isn't nearly as effective

[Arlos]

Uh, the entire point of the west coast offense was to use short passes in running downs, sometimes in place of runs, in other times to set up runs. I think 5-6 5 yard slants to Rice that he turned into 20-30 yard gainers would loosen up the Pittsburgh D dramatically, giving space in the box to allow for runs. Remember, the 49ers had a top-flight OL at the time, one of the best in the league, and their D was one of the best in the league as well.

Not to mention, who do you trust more at QB: Bradshaw, or Montana? There's no contest.

Not to say it wouldn't make for a great game, because it would, but I have absolute confidence that you match those teams up, the 49ers would win probably 75-80% of the time, if not more.

-Arlos

[Tikker]

eh, Bradshaw wasn't too bad of a QB either, he put up big numbers for his era. he is the hall of fame for more than handing off the ball

ps, jerry rice would get decapitated on the 2nd play of the game by lambert first time he came across the middle for a slant

[Kramer]

oilers run-n-shoot FTW..... warren moon 4eva....

[Phlegm]

If you want to talk defense in the 70s, don't forget the 76 Raiders. I would have like to see Moss, TO, or Ocho cinco go up against atkinson or hayes. I'll bet you they wouldn't be pulling any of their antics.

[Tikker]

If you want to talk defense in the 70s, don't forget the 76 Raiders. I would have like to see Moss, TO, or Ocho cinco go up against atkinson or hayes. I'll bet you they wouldn't be pulling any of their antics.

top defense in 1976 was the steelers (statistically anyway)
they averaged under 10 pts against per game, and under 240 total yards against per game

raiders weren't even close

[Diekan]

You guys are comparing apples to oranges, almost.

You do realize that William "The Fridge" Perry may have been *huge* back then, but TODAY his height and weight (something like 6' 4" 320) are fairly standard. Today's players are stronger, bigger in many cases and faster than they were "back then."

It's like putting Joe Lewis in the ring with Mike Tyson (back when he was in his prime) and saying, "Joe is going to own him!" Tyson would have killed him.

The technology changes, the nutrition changes, the drugs (illegal or otherwise) change, the training changes, the *thinking* changes - in ALL sports.

Yeah, the old school teams where awesome in THEIR time, but trying to say a team from 20 years ago would beat a championship, practically unstoppable team of TODAY is unrealistic.

The '85 Bears would not beat the NE of today, or the Colts, or the Jags... they could probably beat Miami... but even then it's a toss up.

[Ouchyfish]

You are completely overlooking the raw talent on the fucking Bears team as well.

[Diekan]

K, and Tom Brady doesn't have raw talent? 21 TD's in 6 games? What about Moss? No raw talent there? Bruschi? Guess there's no talent there either...

Yeah, the Bears had talent or they wouldn't have gone to the SB and won 44 to 10. But, just because the sport and athletes alike have evolved doesn't mean they lack raw talent.


p.s. speaking of Miami... hey fishhead... wanna make a wager on this weekend's game?

[Tikker]

man when you hop on a bandwagon, you don't just buy a new hat

you're in the middle of their circle jerk, gargling gerschwin

[Diekan]

Prove otherwise, genius.