HD vs Blu-Ray

[Tikker]

Like i've said before, NOTHING will replace physical media.

I think you're way wrong

I think digital download will end up with a larger market share than blu-ray (didn't matter which standard won out, download will wtfpwn it all)

[Naethyn]

With all the douchebaggery present in this thread I hereby nominate "HD vs Blu-Ray" for hall of shame status.

[Tossica]

Blu Ray is expensive and offers very little improvement over DVD to the average consumer. PERIOD

So was HD DVD, and yet you pushed it like crack ho behind on rent.

You are being hypocritical here.

BR offers more to many, as it is standard on the PS3 and has large tecnological advances compared to standard DVD. As more and more buy big HD TVs, the BR will move to the mainstream and replace DVDs, just as DVDs replaced VCRs.

Bluray is a new technology, and will take time to become more affordable and the norm. Things were tougher due to the war with HD. Now things should stabilize and many who sat out the early adoption will move, as will many current HD DVD people.

HD DVD was 1/2 the price and offered the ability to play the HD disks in existing DVD players. That alone made it a FAR better value than BR and with all the bullshit "HD DVD isn't even full HD" "There aren't even any movies out on HD DVD" and other FUD being spread by ignorant PS3 owners, I felt I needed to set the record straight.


ONCE AGAIN, you can't compare DVD/VHS to DVD/Blu Ray. BR does not have the luxury of waiting 5+ years to take off because by then, it will be too late. It's not ANYWHERE near the technological or convenience leap that DVD was to VHS and the overall consumer attitude is "meh" where for DVD, people couldn't WAIT for the players to fall in price so they could afford one.

Argue all you want, you paid heavily to be an early adopter of a niche market. It's possible that BR will take off but it's more likely that it will never hit mass appeal because many people just don't give a shit and don't have any desire to replace all of their DVD's with BR or replace all of their TV's and DVD players for a minimal upgrade.

And for Dingleberri, studios want a new format so they can sell their back catalog to us all again. Not gonna happen this time around, sorry Charlie. DVD is good enough for most. The back catalog sales for BR and HD DVD are horrible. Many titles have still not sold over 10K copies.

[Bloodberri]

If MS had decided to invent their own HD media for the 360, starve the more consumer friendly competing format of content and force everyone that wants to watch HD media to buy their $400+ console when the competing format was offering the same quality for 1/2 that, I'd be just as vocal about saying FUCK YOU to them as I am with Sony.

My point is, you're saying the quality is the same when in fact its not. 720p is *not* the same as 1080p. You didn't answer my question about studios wanting a new format which is the reason why it will replace DVD. You're those typical fanboys that picked a wrong format and are trying to make excuses when its dead. You contradict yourself posts after posts.

Ah, more shit I never said and no point. I get it. Shut the fuck up. Cool?

You should really stop while you can, you just make yourself look dumber every post. I'm not the only one thats pointing out that you contradict yourself everytime you post. I'm sure Lyion can fill a page of quotes with your contradictions.

And for Dingleberri, studios want a new format so they can sell their back catalog to us all again. Not gonna happen this time around, sorry Charlie. DVD is good enough for most. The back catalog sales for BR and HD DVD are horrible. Many titles have still not sold over 10K copies.

How long did it take for you to google that up? Nice try but incorrect. I'll give you a hint, it starts with P and ends with Y.

[Tikker]

HD DVD was 1/2 the price and offered the ability to play the HD disks in existing DVD players. That alone made it a FAR better value than BR

I still don't really see how this is even relevant

why would anyone pay a premium for something they can't use? Like, I understand if you 100% knew you were going to go to HD DVD in 6 months, to a year that it might make sense, but most people won't replace the DVD player until it dies, and then just buy the one that's on sale

I would think you'd see very few people buying HD DVD's to play in their regular DVD player

[10sun]

HD DVD was 1/2 the price and offered the ability to play the HD disks in existing DVD players. That alone made it a FAR better value than BR

I still don't really see how this is even relevant

why would anyone pay a premium for something they can't use? Like, I understand if you 100% knew you were going to go to HD DVD in 6 months, to a year that it might make sense, but most people won't replace the DVD player until it dies, and then just buy the one that's on sale

I would think you'd see very few people buying HD DVD's to play in their regular DVD player

You can have a HD home theater setup that will be able to take advantage of the HD content & at the same time you can use the HD-DVDs in your existing DVD players & non-HD TVs which will be present in other areas such as bedrooms, kitchens, cars, wherever else that people are less likely to upgrade & continue using "dated" technology. I think that is the point that Tossica is trying to get across. You won't need to upgrade every player in your house to be able to play the HD-DVD in every player in the house.

I still think that digital content is vastly superior to hard copies in any case.

-Adam

[Evermore]

With all the douchebaggery present in this thread I hereby nominate "HD vs Blu-Ray" for hall of shame status.

[Tossica]

If MS had decided to invent their own HD media for the 360, starve the more consumer friendly competing format of content and force everyone that wants to watch HD media to buy their $400+ console when the competing format was offering the same quality for 1/2 that, I'd be just as vocal about saying FUCK YOU to them as I am with Sony.

My point is, you're saying the quality is the same when in fact its not. 720p is *not* the same as 1080p. You didn't answer my question about studios wanting a new format which is the reason why it will replace DVD. You're those typical fanboys that picked a wrong format and are trying to make excuses when its dead. You contradict yourself posts after posts.

Ah, more shit I never said and no point. I get it. Shut the fuck up. Cool?

You should really stop while you can, you just make yourself look dumber every post. I'm not the only one thats pointing out that you contradict yourself everytime you post. I'm sure Lyion can fill a page of quotes with your contradictions.

And for Dingleberri, studios want a new format so they can sell their back catalog to us all again. Not gonna happen this time around, sorry Charlie. DVD is good enough for most. The back catalog sales for BR and HD DVD are horrible. Many titles have still not sold over 10K copies.

How long did it take for you to google that up? Nice try but incorrect. I'll give you a hint, it starts with P and ends with Y.

I never said 720p was the same as 1080p so fuck off.

The old 1080i vs 1080p debate though, I love that one. Unfortunately I don't have time to own your ass in this particular debate. I suggest you go back through this thread and the others like it and then come back and explain to me how I would benefit from the PS3 handling the deinterlacing on my 1080p content as opposed to the far superior deinterlacer in my HD projector which is going to be scaled to 720p anyway or how I'd benefit in ANY way at all from outputting 1080p to my 1080i CRT which won't even accept the signal. For the record, the 360 add on outputs 1080p just fine but I had no use for it.

As far as the studios wanting more copy protection, I can see that but unfortunately that didn't work out too well for them did it? BD+ was cracked within weeks of the first disc being released.

The pathetic amount of quality new film releases will not keep a new format afloat. They need to sell their back catalog titles and keep milking that cash cow. Don't let the hype fool you. NONE of the studios are happy with the sales on HD media. They have sucked and hard all the way around.

[Bloodberri]

The old 1080i vs 1080p debate though, I love that one. Unfortunately I don't have time to own your ass in this particular debate.

What? Are you saying 1080p isn't better?

I suggest you go back through this thread and the others like it and then come back and explain to me how I would benefit from the PS3 handling the deinterlacing on my 1080p content as opposed to the far superior deinterlacer in my HD projector which is going to be scaled to 720p anyway or how I'd benefit in ANY way at all from outputting 1080p to my 1080i CRT which won't even accept the signal. For the record, the 360 add on outputs 1080p just fine but I had no use for it.

Apparently for someone who likes to spend money on home theater, you don't even own a 1080p TV, now why on earth would you even want a Blu-Ray player if it drops under $200 again?

As far as the studios wanting more copy protection, I can see that but unfortunately that didn't work out too well for them did it? BD+ was cracked within weeks of the first disc being released.

The pathetic amount of quality new film releases will not keep a new format afloat. They need to sell their back catalog titles and keep milking that cash cow. Don't let the hype fool you. NONE of the studios are happy with the sales on HD media. They have sucked and hard all the way around.

You're half right about that. BD+ was cracked TO the hard drive, nobody has a software to burn it to disc yet. The other thing is, its not as easy as copying DVD. There's a buttload of DVD burners and software to record with. DVD media are pretty damn cheap too. Eventually blu-ray will be fully cracked but right now it isn't.

Oh and Paramount has gone blu, Michael Bay is one happy mofo.

[Tikker]

The old 1080i vs 1080p debate though, I love that one. Unfortunately I don't have time to own your ass in this particular debate.

What? Are you saying 1080p isn't better?

no, what he's saying is that 1080p24 folds into 1080i60 or 1080p30 exactly the same way, and since no modern tv natively displays 1080i, there's no end difference between 1080i and 1080p for a playback perspective

[Tossica]

The old 1080i vs 1080p debate though, I love that one. Unfortunately I don't have time to own your ass in this particular debate.

What? Are you saying 1080p isn't better?

I suggest you go back through this thread and the others like it and then come back and explain to me how I would benefit from the PS3 handling the deinterlacing on my 1080p content as opposed to the far superior deinterlacer in my HD projector which is going to be scaled to 720p anyway or how I'd benefit in ANY way at all from outputting 1080p to my 1080i CRT which won't even accept the signal. For the record, the 360 add on outputs 1080p just fine but I had no use for it.

Apparently for someone who likes to spend money on home theater, you don't even own a 1080p TV, now why on earth would you even want a Blu-Ray player if it drops under $200 again?

As far as the studios wanting more copy protection, I can see that but unfortunately that didn't work out too well for them did it? BD+ was cracked within weeks of the first disc being released.

The pathetic amount of quality new film releases will not keep a new format afloat. They need to sell their back catalog titles and keep milking that cash cow. Don't let the hype fool you. NONE of the studios are happy with the sales on HD media. They have sucked and hard all the way around.

You're half right about that. BD+ was cracked TO the hard drive, nobody has a software to burn it to disc yet. The other thing is, its not as easy as copying DVD. There's a buttload of DVD burners and software to record with. DVD media are pretty damn cheap too. Eventually blu-ray will be fully cracked but right now it isn't.

Oh and Paramount has gone blu, Michael Bay is one happy mofo.

Yay. I just love Michael Bay movies... Transformers was fun but only because I can enjoy it with my 12 year old son. Other than that, the man has made the absolute worst piece of shit films ever to come out of Hollywood IMO.

I want high def movies because I have a kick ass HD projector that makes even 720p source material look fantastic, that's why. My home theater is very budget oriented and I only buy things when they are a good deal. 1080p was NOT a good deal at the time I purchased my projector and honestly, even at 109" and sitting 12' away the detail I am missing would be barely noticable. How large is your 1080p display and how far back do you sit? I'm curious. Most PS3 fanboy douchebags like yourself are watching on 37" displays sitting 10 feet away and wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a 1080 source and a 480 source realistically.

Layer upon layer of copy protection on media is fucking STUPID and is a waste of the consumers time and money, hence consumer UNfriendly. If they priced the media properly, there would be no need for piracy because the consumer could buy the real deal for close to the cost of the pirated media without all the hassle of trying to crack it.

[Bloodberri]

Yay. I just love Michael Bay movies... Transformers was fun but only because I can enjoy it with my 12 year old son. Other than that, the man has made the absolute worst piece of shit films ever to come out of Hollywood IMO.

I want high def movies because I have a kick ass HD projector that makes even 720p source material look fantastic, that's why. My home theater is very budget oriented and I only buy things when they are a good deal. 1080p was NOT a good deal at the time I purchased my projector and honestly, even at 109" and sitting 12' away the detail I am missing would be barely noticable. How large is your 1080p display and how far back do you sit? I'm curious. Most PS3 fanboy douchebags like yourself are watching on 37" displays sitting 10 feet away and wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a 1080 source and a 480 source realistically.

Layer upon layer of copy protection on media is fucking STUPID and is a waste of the consumers time and money, hence consumer UNfriendly. If they priced the media properly, there would be no need for piracy because the consumer could buy the real deal for close to the cost of the pirated media without all the hassle of trying to crack it.

I guess you missed the part where I said I have a 360 right? If you're going to call me a fanboy, at least own all 3 consoles first. And I own a 46 1080p, 6-10feet away because my room isn't that big and its very close to my bed. And wtf, 12 year old son, how fucking old are you?

I don't like Michael Bay, guy is a douchebag. If you remember when paramount went HD-DVD, he said no Transformers 2 for him. A few days later he comes back and makes an excuse that he was drunk when he was typing it. In other words, a fat check by paramount made him swallow his pride. Also Transformers was alright, I hate how they fucked up Prime's face and imo bumblebee should've been a VW beatle.

[Tossica]

I guess you missed the part where I said I have a 360 right? If you're going to call me a fanboy, at least own all 3 consoles first. And I own a 46 1080p, 6-10feet away because my room isn't that big and its very close to my bed. And wtf, 12 year old son, how fucking old are you?

I don't like Michael Bay, guy is a douchebag. If you remember when paramount went HD-DVD, he said no Transformers 2 for him. A few days later he comes back and makes an excuse that he was drunk when he was typing it. In other words, a fat check by paramount made him swallow his pride. Also Transformers was alright, I hate how they fucked up Prime's face and imo bumblebee should've been a VW beatle.

So what the fuck is your point again?

You think I'm too old to enjoy HD media? Michael Bay is employed by Paramount? You thought Transformers was alright? That's great. Now shut the fuck up.

Thanks.


PS. at 10ft from a 47" you are just as well off with a 720p TV as you are not going to be able to see the extra resolution that 1080 offers. I'm happy you enjoy your PS3 and Blu Rays though, good for you!

[Tikker]

you can't resolve the difference between 720p and 1080p on a screen under 55" at 10'

[Bloodberri]

I guess you missed the part where I said I have a 360 right? If you're going to call me a fanboy, at least own all 3 consoles first. And I own a 46 1080p, 6-10feet away because my room isn't that big and its very close to my bed. And wtf, 12 year old son, how fucking old are you?

I don't like Michael Bay, guy is a douchebag. If you remember when paramount went HD-DVD, he said no Transformers 2 for him. A few days later he comes back and makes an excuse that he was drunk when he was typing it. In other words, a fat check by paramount made him swallow his pride. Also Transformers was alright, I hate how they fucked up Prime's face and imo bumblebee should've been a VW beatle.

So what the fuck is your point again?

You think I'm too old to enjoy HD media? Michael Bay is employed by Paramount? You thought Transformers was alright? That's great. Now shut the fuck up.

Thanks.



PS. at 10ft from a 47" you are just as well off with a 720p TV as you are not going to be able to see the extra resolution that 1080 offers. I'm happy you enjoy your PS3 and Blu Rays though, good for you!

If you didn't notice, i said 6 TO 10 feet, depending if i lie down or not. I should correct myself, its more 4 TO 10 feet.

Nah, for someone your age, you sound like a fucking crybaby with all this hate towards Sony. Thats my point. You're a fucking crybaby because your precious HD-DVD lost. Whats your point whats your point? You sound like a fucking moron that says that because you have nothing to argue back with. Please keep crying while the rest of us enjoy our Blu-Ray media.

[Tossica]

I'm TRYING to argue with you dumbass you've just got nothing to bring to the table. This thread has page after page of mildly entertaining banter, debate and people actually making points, counterpoints etc and you come swaggering in at the tail end to try to get the triumphant last word in on a subject that you know FUCK ALL about. Give it up kid.

Who the fuck has their main theater in their BEDROOM? Oh, I'd guess it's probably someone living with their parents, being a know-it-all fuckhead on a message board. How shocking.

Tell ya what Dingleberri take a few years off, learn how to form and communicate an intelligible point and then come back and show us what you've got. Until then, fuck off.

[Lyion]

I'm TRYING to argue with you dumbass you've just got nothing to bring to the table.

Tell ya what Dingleberri take a few years off, learn how to form and communicate an intelligible point and then come back and show us what you've got. Until then, fuck off.

It's like arguing with you in Current Affairs!

[Bloodberri]

I'm TRYING to argue with you dumbass you've just got nothing to bring to the table. This thread has page after page of mildly entertaining banter, debate and people actually making points, counterpoints etc and you come swaggering in at the tail end to try to get the triumphant last word in on a subject that you know FUCK ALL about. Give it up kid.

Who the fuck has their main theater in their BEDROOM? Oh, I'd guess it's probably someone living with their parents, being a know-it-all fuckhead on a message board. How shocking.

Tell ya what Dingleberri take a few years off, learn how to form and communicate an intelligible point and then come back and show us what you've got. Until then, fuck off.

You're trying to argue with me? You keep spewing the same shit over and over and then contradicting your previous post. Like I said before, you're one of those dumbass HD-DVD idiots that backed the wrong fucking format and now are crying. You're a fucking sore loser that comes back with excuses after excuses. You sure are a big man calling someone a kid, what ya gonna do about it? Jackshit thats what.

And what the fuck does having my TV in my bedroom has anything to do with this? Run outta excuses on why Blu-Ray will die?

[Tikker]

the big problem is you don't actually seem to know wtf you're talking about

[Tossica]

See, now I feel bad for pwning a kid in public.

Would that be considered virtual child abuse?

Wait a second...


What the fuck am I talking about? Anyone that still lives with their parents yet has a 46" 1080p display and all 3 modern consoles needs to get a life and move out!

Anyhow, you are still new here so I'll let your indignation go this time. Be careful though, you wouldn't want to finawin. People who finawin have a rough time here sometimes and have tougher than usual obstacles to overcome in real life as well due to their self inflicted social retardation. You've still got time to turn yourself around before it's too late.

[Griever]

Everyone knows TV size = win at life.

[Bloodberri]

See, now I feel bad for pwning a kid in public.

Would that be considered virtual child abuse?

Wait a second...


What the fuck am I talking about? Anyone that still lives with their parents yet has a 46" 1080p display and all 3 modern consoles needs to get a life and move out!

Anyhow, you are still new here so I'll let your indignation go this time. Be careful though, you wouldn't want to finawin. People who finawin have a rough time here sometimes and have tougher than usual obstacles to overcome in real life as well due to their self inflicted social retardation. You've still got time to turn yourself around before it's too late.

LMFAO, telling someone to get a life when you're on the net arguing, fucking classic. Calling someone a kid while using the word *pwning*. How's the reaming Lyion gave you a few pages back, still butthurt?

neither, I just download highdef content

At 20-30GB per film, that seems like a pretty stupid thing to do when you can get these nice convenient optical media disks with everything on them all ready for not all that much money.

I think On Demand type service will draw more and more people but downloads are a few years off yet.

Oh well, I mean, no competition besides Toshiba's DVD format which still owns over 99% of the home video market and HD downloads which are rapidly picking up market share.

Getting too old and forget what you type?

[10sun]

I don't get your point?

Do you have anything to bring to this discussion aside from snide ad hominem attacks from posts spanning back several months?

[Bloodberri]

I don't get your point?

Do you have anything to bring to this discussion aside from snide ad hominem attacks from posts spanning back several months?

What discussion? This thread should've been dead for days now, yet Tossica is still butthurt that Blu-Ray won. Oh thats funny, so i'm the only one thats doing the attacking now?

[Tikker]

you don't know what you're talking about tho