Barack Obama just called me.

[Tikker]

Diekan is spot on his assessment of our current voting populaces knowledge. Somehow, in your attempt to goad him, you've simply made his point.

Mostly I'm pointing out that Diekan thinks he knows stuff, doesn't and just tends to hop on the bandwagon of the popular choice right before it gets wtpwned

you can read more into it if you like, but that's all it was

[Lyion]

I'm not quite sure what Bandwagon Diekan is hopping on here.

It's more all the politicians are fucked, and people are stupid and don't understand issues.

Like Ziek insinuated, most of us somewhat believe that, we just don't say it in quite so antagonistic terms.

[Diekan]

Diekan is spot on his assessment of our current voting populaces knowledge. Somehow, in your attempt to goad him, you've simply made his point.

Mostly I'm pointing out that Diekan thinks he knows stuff, doesn't and just tends to hop on the bandwagon of the popular choice right before it gets wtpwned

you can read more into it if you like, but that's all it was

This coming from someone who doesn't even live here.

The whole point is that we [the US] are in this situation because of one thing... shitty parenting. EVERYTHING wrong with this country can be traced right back to that single issue.

There are a lot of good parents out there - some even post here - but by and large - most parents are completely clueless about raising their children right.

I will bet a real life thousand dollars right here and how that the children of people like Garg/Tossica/Etc will end up with a rap-sheet longer than my arm by the time they're 25 - either that or they'll end up dead from drug abuse or by being shot by the police.

This country is fucked either way. We're either going to get a leftwing extremist like Obama, or we're going to end up with left leaning "Republican" named McCain. Either way - expect bigger more intrusive government, higher taxes and a continued reduction of your freedoms in the name of national security.

[Tikker]

I don't think you know what an actual left wing extremist is if you think Obama falls into that category

I mean, I understand that you drank your anti-commie kool-aid growing up in the 80's, but seriously you don't have a clue

[Zanchief]

This country is fucked either way. We're either going to get a leftwing extremist like Obama, or we're going to end up with left leaning "Republican" named McCain. Either way - expect bigger more intrusive government, higher taxes and a continued reduction of your freedoms in the name of national security.

Your freedoms have eroded quicker in the last 8 years under the presidency of a polarizing right wing nutjob.

[araby]

Diekan and I agree.

I listen to talk radio a lot and much of the discussion lately sounds like Diekan's post, my opinions, and most of the other people I hear talking that I agree with. I'm frustrated I can't type more but the spacebar thing is a bitch.
Lucky for me, I don't have to because I truly agree with his entire posts.

[brinstar]

back the "what the fuck" train up a second

obama is a left-wing extremist?


ROFL

[Gypsiyee]

This coming from someone who doesn't even live here.

The whole point is that we [the US] are in this situation because of one thing... shitty parenting. EVERYTHING wrong with this country can be traced right back to that single issue.

There are a lot of good parents out there - some even post here - but by and large - most parents are completely clueless about raising their children right.

I just wanted to point out the irony in the fact that he started the post with jabbing at someone for speaking about something when they don't have firsthand experience with it then followed it up with insulting people for something that he himself has no firsthand experience with

[Jay]

Diekan is spot on his assessment of our current voting populaces knowledge. Somehow, in your attempt to goad him, you've simply made his point.

Mostly I'm pointing out that Diekan thinks he knows stuff, doesn't and just tends to hop on the bandwagon of the popular choice right before it gets wtpwned

you can read more into it if you like, but that's all it was

Like the Patriots?

[Arlos]

Brinstar, don't you know that, in the minds of the right anyway, anyone even a hair to the left of William F Buckley Jr. is automatically a raving liberal and a utter "Left-Wing Extremist"?

Stupid and insane, but that's how they think, it seems...

-Arlos

[Zanchief]

If the only hope to society is getting people to be better parents, how is Ron Paul going to help?

[Tossica]

I will bet a real life thousand dollars right here and how that the children of people like Garg/Tossica/Etc will end up with a rap-sheet longer than my arm by the time they're 25 - either that or they'll end up dead from drug abuse or by being shot by the police.

Yeah, that'd be a dipshit bet on your part at least as far as my son goes.

[Evermore]

I just wanted to point out the irony in the fact that he started the post with jabbing at someone for speaking about something when they don't have firsthand experience with it then followed it up with insulting people for something that he himself has no firsthand experience with

this applies to more then one here...

[araby]

Sounds to me like Diekan is blaming poor parenting for the uneducated, lazy population. I have to agree.

I don't think he meant that Ron Paul would create better parents directly.

However, I do think that having someone in the Presidency who has paved his own way, as well as the way for his own children, would be the right kind of influence, ultimately, for the American people. how?

For starters, taking away these wasted systems we throw money away on and encouraging folks to pay their own way-healthcare for starters. The system is broken and doesn't work. Electing a president who continues to create programs that use taxpayer money to fund them will continue to make a problem worse. By voting for Obama or Hillary, you'll be doing that. They believe in government providing for the people. I do not.

I'd like a president, like Ron Paul, who believes in working to contribute, paying your own way and setting yourself and your kids up for success, not to take from other people-other taxpayers.

Ron Paul would try to bring troops home, uniting families and staying out of the affairs of other countries. That sounds like an excellent way of improving the American family.

If we brought home every physical body we've sent to occupy other countries, we could protect our borders with physical bodies, not some nazi-german fence around this country. A fucking fence...I still can't believe folks think a fence is okay.

He would work for eliminating big government, giving the states rights, which I believe would ultimately get our people motivated at the local level to start thinking about what matters to them. Our issues have all gone to the Fed level...and we're operating at a huge level to try to keep the citizens happy and nationally, it doesn't work. You can see through this election year so far, just how split we are, and as Diekan said, most people aren't split because of the issues, it's because they think Obama is charming and is a great speaker, and the rest support McCain whose voting record is MUCH more liberal than someone like Ron Paul, but the uneducated voter doesn't even know the difference anymore, much less the Republican party, because if they did, they'd know a conservative Republican when they saw one. (Ron Paul.)

I can't fathom how a person's support goes from Ron Paul, to Barack Obama. They aren't even close to the same ideas. Again, I won't be voting for the Democratic party no matter who wins the nomination. Their view on the issues is fucked. You're getting the same thing no matter who it'll be, Hillary and Obama are essentially the same candidate minus the personality differences. There's no comparison whatsoever to the conservative views Ron Paul has.

[Zanchief]

You've really become some kind of whore of Paul, Araby.

You really think Obama is a bad role model for people? You think he hasn't worked hard (harder maybe even then Paul) to get to where he is? You don't think he's raised his children to be independent beings? That's all political rhetoric you've been swallowing in dangerous quantities lately.

[araby]

I don't think he's a bad role model. I don't think his liberal views are good for this country. I do think that Ron Paul's views are good. If that makes me "Ron Paul whore" then okay. You could say the same for the folks chanting at the Obama rallies.

side note: bright eyes and m. ward recently played at an Obama rally.

As far as how Obama is raising his daughters, I'd never assume to say he isn't raising them to be independent beings. I don't even know him.

What I can say, though, is that he doesn't have a single idea that I agree with. Doesn't mean he isn't all of those things people like him for. When I found him, I was flipping through channels and stopped when I saw his face. I thought he was attractive. When I watched the interview, I said to myself, "he's gonna run for President." Two years later, he did. I called it. I considered supporting him. Once I learned of his political views, I had to admit we don't agree. I'm not voting in the "most popular" contest like so many others. I realize many Democrats are voting with their hearts. Well, I am to. Mine happens to go with the conservative candidate, because we agree.

[Evermore]

I don't think he's a bad role model. I don't think his liberal views are good for this country. I do think that Ron Paul's views are good. If that makes me "Ron Paul whore" then okay. You could say the same for the folks chanting at the Obama rallies.

side note: bright eyes and m. ward recently played at an Obama rally.

As far as how Obama is raising his daughters, I'd never assume to say he isn't raising them to be independent beings. I don't even know him.

What I can say, though, is that he doesn't have a single idea that I agree with. Doesn't mean he isn't all of those things people like him for. When I found him, I was flipping through channels and stopped when I saw his face. I thought he was attractive. When I watched the interview, I said to myself, "he's gonna run for President." Two years later, he did. I called it. I considered supporting him. Once I learned of his political views, I had to admit we don't agree. I'm not voting in the "most popular" contest like so many others. I realize many Democrats are voting with their hearts. Well, I am to. Mine happens to go with the conservative candidate, because we agree.

well said and 100% dead on.

[Zanchief]

I don't think he's a bad role model. I don't think his liberal views are good for this country. I do think that Ron Paul's views are good. If that makes me "Ron Paul whore" then okay. You could say the same for the folks chanting at the Obama rallies.

side note: bright eyes and m. ward recently played at an Obama rally.

As far as how Obama is raising his daughters, I'd never assume to say he isn't raising them to be independent beings. I don't even know him.

What I can say, though, is that he doesn't have a single idea that I agree with. Doesn't mean he isn't all of those things people like him for. When I found him, I was flipping through channels and stopped when I saw his face. I thought he was attractive. When I watched the interview, I said to myself, "he's gonna run for President." Two years later, he did. I called it. I considered supporting him. Once I learned of his political views, I had to admit we don't agree. I'm not voting in the "most popular" contest like so many others. I realize many Democrats are voting with their hearts. Well, I am to. Mine happens to go with the conservative candidate, because we agree.

That fine Araby, I don't think anyone should do otherwise, but when you say Ron Paul is good for this country because he's going to make better parents out of people because he's such an awesome role model, well that's when I'm going to stop and you and let you know you just went from logically picking a candidate that represents your issues into, Lyion infatuation with George Bush man-crush levels. All the candidates are good role models. They're all successful, they all raise their children right.

Diekan's post is still silly.

[Lyion]

I'm ambivalent, I share your man love for Canada, though.

Oh, Canada!

[araby]

Hey Zanchief-everybody's got back porch to sweep. Gotta take the good with the bad. Look at McCain right now, with the denial of the affair with the lobbyist. If we thought Barack Obama, Ron Paul, Hillary Clinton or any other candidate hasn't done something to hurt someone we'd might as well resurrect Jesus Christ so we can vote for his perfect self.

When you start looking at the negative things you're no longer credible for discussion, unless it's voting history. There is no perfect candidate. So I choose the one that I side with the most, and if they snorted coke or fathered illegitimate babies or had affairs is not my business, cause everybody's got something shitty. Huckabee and even Mitt Romney. Perhaps he'll rise from the dead and serve us all Kool-Aid when shit starts to go down.

Seriously though...I don't attack someone's personal life and you made it sound like I like Ron Paul's personal life better or something. I didn't say anything about Obama's personal life. I mentioned issues. Diekan's post isn't talking about the candidates raising their children, either. He's talking about the voters.

[Zanchief]

But I haven't mentioned anything bad about any of the candidates, I've actually said they're ALL good role models. And you weren’t talking issues, Araby, you were talking about how Ron Paul could solve an impossible to solve issue just by mere fact of him being a charismatic juggernaut.

You're giving him too much credit because you're in love with him. That's my point.

[araby]

But I haven't mentioned anything bad about any of the candidates, I've actually said they're ALL good role models. And you weren’t talking issues, Araby, you were talking about how Ron Paul could solve an impossible to solve issue just by mere fact of him being a charismatic juggernaut.

You're giving him too much credit because you're in love with him. That's my point.

I didn't mention anything bad about them, either. I said, I Iike Ron Paul. His political views are rock solid and he has raised his family with them in mind. It wasn't to say another candidate hasn't.

Your question was, or accusation even-that I am love with Ron Paul, or am a Ron Paul whore, if I think Barack Obama didn't raise his daughters to be independent beings. You made that contrast, not me. I brought my opinions through based on the issues. Your point is wrong and misunderstood. You're trying to rope me into that generalization that I'm loopy or weird like other Ron Paul supporters, which is such a tired joke and there's not even a punch line. He's the best candidate. hahajokelol!! I don't get it.

[Zanchief]

Stop assuming and get to the point.

Deikan posted about how Ron Paul was the answer to the countries biggest problem, which are shitty parents. You agreed because he's a good role model. I mention that they are ALL good role models. You go mention I'm attacking candidates (which I'm not), I mention that I'm not. You mention that you aren't either (I don't see why I would care).

None of that matters. Here's the entire discussion. You think Ron Paul is going to help people because he's a good role model. I think that statement is just as silly as Deikan's. Don't go nuts about all these assumed intentions of my post. If you want to argue with me either let me know how Ron Paul will help parents raise their children by being a good role model (better than the other candidates) or clarify your point.

You're picking a fight with me, and I don't know why (the whore comment was tongue and cheek).

[Lyion]

Araby, Zan is pretty much a troll in all the Current Affairs forums, and subtly attacks anyone who doesn't agree with his ideology. Heck, half the time he attacks people like Ever and Tik who are 80% in his corner, so I'd take what he says with a grain of salt.

He can't grasp the federalism and freedom that Ron Paul proposes that appeal to so many, because it is so against the nanny state, tax is good, government should tell people what to do mentality that he feels is paramount to a good country.

He attacks and says snarky things, but then tries to play like he's above the fray and out for others good. Do the smart thing and either ignore his posts, or take them like you would anyone else looking for a rise solely who could generally care less about others opinions.

He won't ever accept anyone with a different viewpoint and be an ass regardless. Just accept it and don't try to reason with him.

I will bet a real life thousand dollars right here and how that the children of people like Garg/Tossica/Etc will end up with a rap-sheet longer than my arm by the time they're 25 - either that or they'll end up dead from drug abuse or by being shot by the police.

Yeah, that'd be a dipshit bet on your part at least as far as my son goes.

The only parents looking bad after this post are yours, Diek. I know it's all for the flame deal, but c'mon man. That's just totally uncool.

[Gypsiyee]

I can't fathom how a person's support goes from Ron Paul, to Barack Obama

I'll answer this question because I fall in this category (and I think I've answered this before at some point as well.)

I like them both very much, and would be equally happy with either of them as president. Why? It's due to a very simple reason - I'm on one side of the fence or the other in almost every issue. Basically, I'm split literally in half with my beliefs. This is what I detest about party affiliation - I don't think I should have to side with one or the other, because I don't fully agree with either side. This is the same with just about everything in my life, I'm just not a one or the other person.. generally for me the good lies somewhere in between with a compromise of both sides.

What I disagree with Paul on, I agree with Obama on, and vice versa. I think it's very much like a venn diagram - they meet in the middle on issues that are very important to me, and with all of the others they fall on one side or the other and are pretty much equal.

I don't know about the other people who fall into this category of liking them both, but I would imagine it's a result of the same type of scenario.

edit* fixed some odd wording~