Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize

[Drem]

Discuss. This should be good....

[Jay]

I think last week's SNL skit pretty much sums out how I feel about him. Great speaker, great ideas, still hasn't done anything yet.

[Phlegm]

if Al Gore can win the peace prize for fighting global warming, then anyone can win it for anything.

[Tikker]

out of curiosity, on what grounds did he win the nobel prize?

I'm not really aware of anything he's done to this point

[Harrison]

That's what I said.

"He won it for, what exactly?"

He hasn't done dick.

[Nusk]

of course now you really can spin this so that Obama has ties to the late terrorist Yasser Arafat

[Drem]

When Alfred Nobel died on December 10, 1896, it was discovered that he had left a will, dated November 27, 1895, according to which most of his vast wealth was to be used for five prizes, including one for peace. The prize for peace was to be awarded to the person who "shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding of peace congresses."

Sorta weird considering he's expanding the war in Afghanistan

But also nice to see the rest of the world react positively and basically give him a "You aren't George W. Bush" award.

He has definitely eased the international climate, if nothing else. And that's doing a lot more than anybody else could in the last decade

This isn't the first time a NPP has been given to a statesman. Everyone hated it when Roosevelt got his, too

[Harrison]

It's still rather ridiculous.

[Haylo]

I wish that they had waited and given it to him if he had really done something substantial. The deadline for receiving the award was in February. 11 days after his inauguration. It wasn't the right time for it and probably cost him more grieve then benefits.

[ClakarEQ]

As much of a fan that I am when I heard he won this I was like "WHAT!!??" I don't think he should have, although I'm not really sure who would have won. The only thing I can think that was a big push is that many of the folks (as I understand it) that can vote for who wins, are EU's. EU's have an odd attraction to Obama often times more so than our own people. IMO there are a lot of folks around the world that think Obama is God send.

I think someone said this on NPR or some other show but it was along the lines of, "All he had to do was act exactly opposite of Bush".

I'm not up on all the niches of Peace, I think Sarcozi(sp french pres) and I'm sure others, but who were the top contenders for this prize?

[Tikker]

well

if you want to rationalize his winning as everyone in the world suddenly hating the US less, making it less likely for a war breaking out, I guess you could make that point...


pretty weak though


he's a very personable guy, and comes across as an intelligent guy

[ClakarEQ]

Yeah I agree he comes across and smart and personable but that isn't what wins you a nobel either.

I agree my examples were weak, but I don't know who he was up against, personally, as I said, I don't think he should have won because odds are it will actually weaken his position domestically, but strengthen it globally.

[Drem]

I don't think he should have won because odds are it will actually weaken his position domestically, but strengthen it globally.

that's perfectly fine imo

[Gypsiyee]

he didn't deserve it yet. i don't think even he thought he deserved it yet. honestly, it was quite stupid that he got it considering there was a record breaking number of nominees, but frankly i find it even dumber that you have retards on the right acting like he nominated himself or something. i don't think even his supporters were standing up and screaming well deserved, it was mostly perplexing to everyone.. but to use it as a means for ammo to justify reasons for hating him more is just stupid. the republican party has just become a bunch of high school girls.

[Gaazy]

I almost passed out when I heard about it that morning. Talk about a sick feeling in the stomach >< Sheesh.

At my rehab docs office there are 3 secretaries and stuff and they suck Obama's cock like no one else ive ever seen, even worse than some of you here, and thats saying something. He could drop a nuke into NYC and theyd say " Ohhh he had to have a good reason! Hes So wonderful!" Well I asked them what they thought about it, and they wen ton and on about how its what he STANDS for.

I mean godamn, come on, yeah, he may say he stands for peace and all that but the NOBEL PEACE PRIZE? Its not about what you stand for. If thats the case, theres a few hundred million other people who deserved it just as much. Its what youve DONE for peace. Hell, I bet even Obama shit a golden apple when he heard he won the damn thing. I can picture him sitting in his office drinking his morning cup of coffee and checking out the new updates on bigblackdicksonlittlewhitechicksassholes.com and some staffer comes in and tells him, and he spits coffee all over his computer while trying to shove his wiener back in his pants.

Al Gore was just as much of a joke too. What did that have to do with PEACE? Drem i think it was even quoted it - The reduction of armies and holding of peace congresses. What does the global warming scam have to do with that? Someday, mark my words, this fucking world will wake up and see the scam hes running here with global warming. Even the British high court seems to be starting to wonder with that ruling they the other day. People are starting to question it, and thats a start. And anyone who does question it in the scientific community are bullied around and de-credited, like that professor at MIT. And thats the exact same thing this government does, and always has done. When someone threatens their ways of thinking, they remove them from the picture rather than confront

[Gidan]

Someday, mark my words, this fucking world will wake up and see the scam hes running here with global warming.

Did it ever occur to you that he may completely believe in global warming and feel that he is truly trying to save everyone from what he believes is a real and imminent threat to the planet? Just because you don't believe that global warming is a threat doesn't make his actions a scam.

[Spazz]

Your a shill for coal dude of course your not going to beleive in global warming.

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[Gaazy]

Someday, mark my words, this fucking world will wake up and see the scam hes running here with global warming.

Did it ever occur to you that he may completely believe in global warming and feel that he is truly trying to save everyone from what he believes is a real and imminent threat to the planet? Just because you don't believe that global warming is a threat doesn't make his actions a scam.

Yes, it did occur to me. And, no, I dont buy it. Anyone that speaks against him are pushed out of the way and bullied around. What evidence is there of it is there? What of these big dangerous predictions have come true that theyve made the past few years? As in them predicting we would see a rise in global temperature last year and it was the coldest on record? What evidence is there that we arent in a natural climate trend? The same kinds that have been shown to happen over and over over the past millions of years? Sure, if you look at it from one angle you could think we really are warming, but I dont see any hard conclusive evidence that this warming trend is any different than any other the world has gone through

Yes, it did occur to me that he could actually believe it. But I dont buy it. God only knows how much money hes taking to the bank on this bullshit. I think it is a scam, and my opinion holds the same weight as yours in believing he truly does believe it.

Your a shill for coal dude of course your not going to beleive in global warming.

My being for coal has little to do with my disbelief for global warming. Sure, most of the people around here dont believe in global warming just because they dont want to see coal go away, but based on the research Ive done on it, from BOTH sides of the argument, I do NOT believe in the problem, if one at all. In fact, to go at it from another angle, I see coal as an ANSWER for this. Especially on the terms of going energy independent. The technology for cleaner coal technology exists. Its right on front of our faces, just look at the research MIT has done (in which, I think I should also mention, the government has cut off most of their funding to it, rather than trying to help solve the problem). The government is willing to put billions upon billions of dollars into research for other kinds of energy that we havent been able to produce yet, but they wont put funding into research for existing technology. You honestly think we can power this country on a bunch of windmills and dams? To take the place of coal that powers over 50% of the country? To become energy independent, I truly believe coal is the best answer, or at least the main part of it. Hell, there are even coal to liquid plants being built right now. In china of course, not here, this government passed up that contract for one in Illinois. They spend our money on stupid bullshit like cash for clunkers, but nothing that could be good. That technology could even help ween us away from foreign oil for gods sake, and its looked over like a rock. I think the coal industry would be a lot better off if they would go ahead and ban mountaintop removal. In fact, I would LOVE to see that. The mountains i love are being destroyed from it. And on top of that, it would help MY side of the industry. The demand would stay the same with or without it, so t here would have to be more underground mines, which I build machinery for. So fuck yeah, get rid of that shit, good riddance.

That turned into a ramble, jesus christ, and I apologize

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Oh damn, Im found out

[ClakarEQ]

Coal is old school and an antiquated dead tech that needs to die for something new and fresh.

We've been burning coal since we found it, Are you saying we should not pursue better, cleaner, non-fossil fuels?

I don't give a rats ass if you think global warming is real or not, the reason to the ends don't matter, just get to the end.

Coal needs to die, it is an industry just like the auto's. It stifles competition, it puts competing techs out of business, the industry lobbies like the pharma's, it has a less than stellar history and even today is one of the most dangerous jobs.

It will take years, decades, etc I know, but the course and vision needs to be set and pointed away from ANY non-renewable fossil fuel.

You say we have clean coal tech, who the fuck cares? Coal needs to die, we need to get into renewable energy and coal is NOT renewable.

[Harrison]

Electricity is oldschool antiquated tech, we've been using it since we found it. We need newer technology...<blahblahblah insert ignorance here>

Age of technology holds no relevance to its importance or efficiency. Your entire post was irrelevant.

[ClakarEQ]

You've missed the boat Harri, what technology exists that can replace electricity?

Electricity is the result of tech, not a tech in of itself, sorry.

EDIT
You made a similar post before, age of a tech has a great impact on it's relevance, importance, etc. A non changing tech over the course of centuries can be nothing but bad. What technology are we using today that is over 100 years old? I'm sure there are some.

[Harrison]

A non changing tech over the course of centuries can be nothing but bad.

This conversation is over. You're obviously in the dark entirely on this subject.

[ClakarEQ]

Why won't you answer my question?

IMO the statement is true and you again offered nothing to discuss. Don't get in your arrogant ways again, we've been pretty civil here.

You call electricity a tech, IMO that is like calling a grape a tech. Electricity is a natural occurring event in nature. To my knowledge there is no competing technology that can replace electricity and I still don't believe that electricity is a "tech" in of itself. It is a result of "something". Just like "coal" isn't a tech, it is a natural substance if you will.

The use of coal to create electricity is a technology that is old and requires the consumption of fossil fuels. The burning of coal for electricity is not a normal event in nature.

I am confident someone can post some tech that is over 100 years old that is essentially the exact same today, as it was 100 years ago. However I suspect that list has to be very very small.

EDIT
Harri, if you're implying that I don't recognize coal as a changing tech, you'd be wrong, I realize it may take less coal to create a watt of electricity however the issue at hand IMO is the basic premise of how it works, has not changed, e.g. you burn it, you burned it 100 years ago, you burn it now.

Just like auto's, combustion engines need to die, it is an old tech that hasn't changed and look where it has put us? Under the thumb of the middle east. If the technology for auto's didn't didn't get stifled by the big 3 and the oil industry, we'd be driving electric, hydrogen, etc type cars today.

I honestly can not think of one tech. that has done any good to anyone by not being replaced over time with better tech. I challenge you to find me one, as I said, I'm sure there are some and I'm just not taking the time to think it thru.

EDIT x2
I thought of a couple, the digging of water wells, the pumping of water from cities to suburbs. Those are two things that are essentially the same, the tools are better and more efficient but the basic foundation hasn't changed. The use of explosives for mining, that is another. However in those 3 examples, off the cuff, I don't know of a competing tech. that could replace them, yet :p

[Spazz]

My being for coal has little to do with my disbelief for global warming. Sure, most of the people around here dont believe in global warming just because they dont want to see coal go away, but based on the research Ive done on it, from BOTH sides of the argument, I do NOT believe in the problem, if one at all. In fact, to go at it from another angle, I see coal as an ANSWER for this. Especially on the terms of going energy independent. The technology for cleaner coal technology exists. Its right on front of our faces, just look at the research MIT has done (in which, I think I should also mention, the government has cut off most of their funding to it, rather than trying to help solve the problem). The government is willing to put billions upon billions of dollars into research for other kinds of energy that we havent been able to produce yet, but they wont put funding into research for existing technology. You honestly think we can power this country on a bunch of windmills and dams? To take the place of coal that powers over 50% of the country? To become energy independent, I truly believe coal is the best answer, or at least the main part of it. Hell, there are even coal to liquid plants being built right now. In china of course, not here, this government passed up that contract for one in Illinois. They spend our money on stupid bullshit like cash for clunkers, but nothing that could be good. That technology could even help ween us away from foreign oil for gods sake, and its looked over like a rock. I think the coal industry would be a lot better off if they would go ahead and ban mountaintop removal. In fact, I would LOVE to see that. The mountains i love are being destroyed from it. And on top of that, it would help MY side of the industry. The demand would stay the same with or without it, so t here would have to be more underground mines, which I build machinery for. So fuck yeah, get rid of that shit, good riddance.

Yea dude just like I said your a shill for coal. When your career depends on somthing your not going to want to see it shut down and that is going to be a major influence on how you veiw things. The bottom line here friend is that coal is filthy. Mining destroys the mountains you love and burning makes our world a more polluted place. Global warming or not its time we get a handle on pollution of all forms and make our country a healthier place to be .