union-busting

[Tikker]

so

what do you do for a living Flink

[Jay]

I declare that henceforth I will do my best to reply to every Flink post by quoting his text then asking what he does for a living until I am answered regardless of what the topic of conversation is. Example:

Hey guys, who do you think is gonna win the NBA Finals?

Hey Flink, what do you do for a living?

Hey what did everyone think of the Charlie Sheen interview?

Hey Flink, what do you do for a living?

Guys I just found out I have an inoperable tumor...

Hey Flink, what do you do for a living?

I think everyone else should too. It's win/win. He'll either a) stop posting or b) finally tell us what he does for a living (assuming he has a job).

[Jay]

Race should not be of any consideration regarding employment, though, a business owner certainly should have the right to discriminate based on race if he wants. After all, it is his company, and he should be able to choose who works for him and who doesn't. Now, if you think that his company is racially discriminating, you can boycott their products and put pressure on him. Let society punish poor business decisions. This is really only applicable to small companies, because when we're talking on a corporate level and ownership is distributed among many people, no one really has that right to discriminate any more.

With maternity leave, personally I believe a company should allow the leave to take place and guarantee her job is there for her when she is able to return, but I don't think that is necessarily a right for a woman. It is more of a perk offered by the company (one that may not be tolerated if it wasn't there, but a perk nonetheless). Even more so if it is a paid maternity leave. The same goes with any sort of disability leave. Obviously if the company is responsible for the disability, things are different, but if not, they should not need to wait on the employee to get better and keep his position available for him.

As far as contracts go, they must be honored. Providing a court system and enforcing contracts is one of the primary responsibilities of government. If previous contract obligations are driving the company into the ground, and parties can't agree on reworking the contract, it will be the death of the company, and whoever picks up the pieces after bankruptcy court can start fresh.

The product recall dilemma is a difficult choice from a business perspective. Many recalls work in favor of the company though because it acts as a major publicity stunt. It generates a ton of free press, and makes your brand seem more trustworthy in the long run. It all comes down to cost, and whether your company can afford the recall. If not, are you willing to sell off or borrow against assets to fund the recall, even if it causes you to go under? The ownership of the company probably plays a big role in the decision as well. It's much more difficult for a corporation to hide the problem under the rug than it is for a small business. I'd like to say that you are responsible for the products you provide, and that if defects exist, you should correct it, or at the very least, publicly announce it. If you become aware of a defect and do nothing, and continue to sell the product as if nothing is wrong, then to me it seems to border on fraud.

And with that...

Hey Flink, what do you do for a living?

[KaiineTN]

Hey Flink, what do you do for a living?

[Drem]

he's just a student that plays video games and theorizes all day long

[Drem]

i think i'd actually put money on that

[Tossica]

He inherited money from his father and invested it.

[Zanchief]

This is why I'm all for estate tax.

[leah]

Why should a company have to fit the financial burden of a woman like Leah getting herself knocked up.

wtf, lol. don't drag me into this. :P

[Spazz]

Why is it such a hard question for you to answer kaiine. If you want anyone to take you serious when you spew this retarded shit you need to back it up with some real life and not just cut and paste articles and youtube videos.

[ClakarEQ]

It's been many months since I posted and many of this thread tl;dr but I only wanted to make a few points before I fade away , I'm not sure I'll even follow-up on this post of mine here. This will be my typical all over the fucking place sort of post, no shock if you know me

For those that think this is about unions, deficits, pay, etc, sorry you are wrong. This is everything to do with the demonization of the middle class and crazy as it may seem the Republican demagogue machine + general populace ignorance = downfall of our nation

For those of you that think we live in a democracy, you too are wrong. One simple example, something like 80% of our nations voters WANT people that make 250k+ to pay higher taxes, 80 fucking percent, why can't that be achieved? This would FIX nearly all our financial issues, state and local. We the people fell asleep and when we woke up, we had already lost the power, only to find the power was now in the hands of those that own us, own our homes, own our paycheck, own our lives.

Many of you are just fools that only see the smoke in mirrors and can't see what's really happening here. Reps want control of your ability to earn, your ability to reproduce, your ability to follow religion of choice, your ability to have sexual preference, the ability of what you do or don't do in your free time, etc. If they even get half of what they want, we are doomed as a nation, and frankly it's already too late.

If you want this nation fixed, you are going to have to face the fact the it is our private sector that has doomed us all. These raindrops you all try to catch and say "here, this is the problem" is just that, a fucking rain drop. You fail to look and see it is the private sector river flowing down that will drown us all.

Stop picking on the middle class and start to see the truth, pick on the private sector, the VP's, the Exec, wall street workers, etc because THEY are the problem, and we're about to, as a nation, destroy the very fabric that made our country what is was and we will replace it republican demagogue who only caters to the rich and powerful. So please, lets all go fuck ourselves together, and let that 20 some odd percent spit on our faces as we slurp it up and ask for more.

The pay delta between the highest paid worker to the lowest paid worker is now measured in thousands of percent, see executive pay on Wikipedia for more info, this should be measured in hundreds at MAXIMUM. Yes this means greedy fucks, public or private need to have total income pay caps, and fuck yes, in the private sector. This at its core, is the very reason we are where we are. This should NEVER have been allowed, you can have a piece of the American pie, but you can't have the whole fucking thing you greedy mother fuckers.

Personally I don't give a flying fuck if I or you or Dick next door invented the cure for cancer, no person, and I mean NO FUCKING PERSON "deserves" millions upon millions of dollars in pay EVERY YEAR (sports, actors, etc all of it, and yes that is a liberal socialist extreme view, and I know, no fucking way it would happen). If this actually did happen, and all that "extra" cash was forcibly put back into the private and public sectors, we would be number 1 in the world across all measureable elements.

tata for now

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I didn't have my flow down so I moved this to the end lol

We have middle class people right here, posting, arguing from ignorance about how bad the unions are, public or private.

Did you see that paycheck you get?
Why the hell do you think it isn't 1/4 of what it is now?
Where the fuck do you think that amount came from? It wasn't from the work you do as it doesn't matter how hard you bust your ass, if it wasn't for the union you'd get 100 a week working 60 hours or more, idiot.

Did you forget where we, our nation, came from?
Do you actually believe that if this trend continues that it won't affect us all?
Are you so foolish to think a tool like Kaiine wouldn't get his way if he could? Do you think his thoughts are unique?

[Spazz]

I cant say I disagree with you dude. Good rant but most people just dont get it. Its like our entire country has battered woman syndrome when it comes to the greedy fuckers who did and do this to us.

[brinstar]

you know clak, there's never been a time in my adult life when i thought and acted in a way that could be considered "conservative" in a political sense - but even 5 years ago i wouldn't have believed more than a quarter of that rant you just spewed

but from where i stand now, i think you only grazed the surface of what's really going on here. all these years they've been making a big fuss about non-issues like the war on drugs, the abortion debate, gay marriage, etc - at least for those they haven't lulled into idiocy via television. it's all a big show. what have they really been doing all along, while we weren't looking? they've been engineering, constructing, streamlining and fortifying a tamper-proof system with one single solitary purpose: to take. as much as possible.

then at some point in the past year or so, they switched on this awful machine. and now it's harvest time.

[Markarado]

You're right, his views aren't unique. I agree with most of them. Hell, a lot of people do.

We all agree that change needs to take place, but clearly Americans are going in opposite extremes. I think we can all agree that something extreme needs to happen. I certainly hope it's more to the Republican/Tea Party side =)

To reply to Brinstar - who the are the companies supposed to reap from? The blue and white collar worker who now don't have spending power? Or the 100's of millions Obama gave out? For the record, I'm still not sure where I stand on Obama giving the cash out....

So yah I'm still that conservatie most of you despise, and I still live in Malaysia!

[Tossica]

Pretty sure I've been singing that tune ever since the Reagan administration.

[leah]

You're right, his views aren't unique. I agree with most of them. Hell, a lot of people do.

We all agree that change needs to take place, but clearly Americans are going in opposite extremes. I think we can all agree that something extreme needs to happen. I certainly hope it's more to the Republican/Tea Party side =)

To reply to Brinstar - who the are the companies supposed to reap from? The blue and white collar worker who now don't have spending power? Or the 100's of millions Obama gave out? For the record, I'm still not sure where I stand on Obama giving the cash out....

So yah I'm still that conservatie most of you despise, and I still live in Malaysia!

dude. i mean no disrespect, but, what on earth do you even care? you live in malaysia, how does any of this affect you?

[ClakarEQ]

I was foolish in my own mind to stay away from this one LOL

Mark, you must really enjoy your more than American socialism over there, how's health care for you? How's your pay? Did you know your country (I say your because you're not USC, regardless of what you think) has better health care than ours. You live longer 2-5 years longer, you have nearly 2 points above the US on infant mortality, hmm you slanty eye mother fuckers must be doing something right, aye?

Yeah, it's great over here bro, odd you don't live here though, why is that exactly, O, I bet it's cuz you can't get a job here, or don't get the pay here, or don't get the benefits here, could any of those be part of the reason, I mean, you're not in the military right, you're there by choice right?

It's great to hear you want and stand for the exact opposite of what you get in your homeland of Malaysia. Why don't you come back and live large over here for a few years, make yourself US Citizen again, then lets talk, when you can speak on and about things instead of speaking at things, especially when you don't know what you're talking about.

Sorry for the rants here but I find it comical, just as the Canadian posters probably laugh at, when we try to tell them how awful their health care is.

Democracy is dead in our country, WI Gov proved it again, multiple polls from every resource showed the majority of the state voters DID NOT WANT UNION COLLECTIVE BARGAINING RIGHTS TOUCHED. What did he do, for those that don't read, he broke the bill in half, one for the budget, one for the unions, and busted the union up. For those that don't understand the real impact. WI was a founding father of sorts for unions, they helped establish some of the best aspects of what unions could do for the people, the pay, the safety, etc.

I'm an MI guy and our newly appointed Rep GOV is, who could-a-thunk-it, reviewing this same type of strategy. Guess what else he did, he put in state paid emergency financial managers with serious GOD mode power over unions (e.g. throw out union contracts), authority to overrule elected officials, and close school districts without vote. These people will have the power to decimate districts, city councils, etc. I'm talking serious shit. This is getting near little to no radio or tv play. It's not signed yet, but I'm sure it will be. What's happening in your backyards?

Gosh, I have big hopes for all the minority Lansing and Detroit boys and girls that will have 50+ kids in their classrooms, that will have dwindling and dwindling GOV benefits to help them, I know they'll learn so much in that environment. But hey, fuck them right, it ain't my fault, those kids can learn if they try, they just have to want it bad enough, right? I mean that the kids should be treated like animals cuz their parents are drug addicts, why should those kids have equal rights as us suburbanites, we should hold the kids hostage cuz of the parents choices, that is the right thing to do . . . yeah, keep telling yourselves that

I'm seriously pissed at my country, I'm almost ashamed to call myself an American, all of us should be embarrassed of what we've become, what we've let happen to this wonderful place.

Like a good song / video I heard a while back with a spin, tell your children, tell your wives, tell your husbands cuz they're all getting rapped up in here, /slurp

[Spazz]

I'm seriously pissed at my country, I'm almost ashamed to call myself an American, all of us should be embarrassed of what we've become, what we've let happen to this wonderful place.

Thats the right on right there dude. Where in Mi are you ?

[ClakarEQ]

I live in Shelby Township, came from Warren though, grew up in Tulsa OK, but I'm full blown Michigan man now

[Spazz]

Your on the wrong side of the mitten man.

[ClakarEQ]

hehe, aye I know, GR is where it's at, I see the boom there too , I've got a good job, good pay though, I'm not complaining about that.

I'm a white collar guy making great money (not 250k mind you) with out so much as an associates degree, yet I'd still cough up a full blown 10% tax increase to help my fellow American, it sucks that I'm in the minority tho . And damn straight that'd hurt my bottom line :\, I'd still do it, I'd vote for it, willingly

To stay on target as once popular Star Wars guy said,

Iowa is next, unions are about to be busted there too. Only took one day. Takers on whos next? MI is right around the corner, but I'm thinking maybe Cali.

[Spazz]

I get the feeling a lot of the time were all fucked now. People have been so brainwashed over the years to fight against they own economic interests and fight for rich peoples tax breaks and free trade and all this other horse piss that there isnt a whole lot that can be done to save us. Unions are the devil a lot of fools like our boy flink think we should be paid 3 bucks and hour. Fuckers like harrison think that instead of wanting a good wage we should hate on those who get paid one. Its all really sad. Our country is seriously fucked and I can see it getting way way worse before or if it gets any better at all.

[brinstar]

hehe, aye I know, GR is where it's at, I see the boom there too , I've got a good job, good pay though, I'm not complaining about that.

I'm a white collar guy making great money (not 250k mind you) with out so much as an associates degree, yet I'd still cough up a full blown 10% tax increase to help my fellow American, it sucks that I'm in the minority tho . And damn straight that'd hurt my bottom line :\, I'd still do it, I'd vote for it, willingly

To stay on target as once popular Star Wars guy said,

Iowa is next, unions are about to be busted there too. Only took one day. Takers on whos next? MI is right around the corner, but I'm thinking maybe Cali.

Iowa's senate passed the union buster, but their house is still D-controlled and they'll kill it without even a debate. unfortunately that means NE is next, which includes me. what's worse, there aren't enough people with brains in this goddamn state so it's not even getting a blip on the local media's radar.

the Michigan bill actually seems worse than the Wisconsin bill though - it contains provisions that allow "financial managers" (from the private sector) to achieve, as Clak said, God Mode. they'll be able to shut down school districts, shut down local government bodies, and even disincorporate whole municipalities. they've moved on from giving money and tax breaks to corporate interests, they're now giving them absolute control over entire communities. i am NOT even exaggerating - look it up! they seem hell bent on skipping right over fascism and throwing the nation all the way back to feudalism.

there are storm clouds gathering - general strikes might happen on US soil for the first time since the 30s. now that the weekend has hit, expect to see Madison implode and devolve into riots.

[Arlos]

Won't be Cali. State Assembly, Senate and Governor are all Democrats.

We actually went the opposite of the rest of the country in the last election. Elsewhere, the GOP had a field day. Here, they lost every single race for a major state office, and the race for Boxer's senate seat.

Anyway, I dunno where it is that'll be next, unfortunately. I DO know two things though: 1) There *WILL* be a next, and 2) it WON'T be California.

Jon Stewart had some awesome commentary on this:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-m ... all-street

-Arlos

[Lyion]

Many of you are just fools that only see the smoke in mirrors and can't see what's really happening here. Reps want control of your ability to earn, your ability to reproduce, your ability to follow religion of choice, your ability to have sexual preference, the ability of what you do or don't do in your free time, etc. If they even get half of what they want, we are doomed as a nation, and frankly it's already too late.

If you want this nation fixed, you are going to have to face the fact the it is our private sector that has doomed us all. These raindrops you all try to catch and say "here, this is the problem" is just that, a fucking rain drop. You fail to look and see it is the private sector river flowing down that will drown us all.

First, all politicians want power and control. To try to say one side doesn't is a bunch of partisan BS. They get this control by trying to use wedge issues to get money from paranoid and ill informed people. They pass huge budgets and say it's for the people. Also a bunch of garbage. How'd that massive stimulus work out? Pretty good for some big DNC supporting companies.

The private sector did not create the 14 Trillion dollar debt, nor use immoral and unethical kickbacks to public employee unions in a corrupt manner to fill politician campaign coffers. The private sector did not create the travesty of Fannie and Freddie which are bleeding us of tens of billions each year. The public sector did not authorize the wars in the Middle East. State and local government ran surpluses throughout much of the last decade. Yet, they continued to spend and spend, much of it on kickbacks, and with no thought for the future. The private sector did not create these bloated state pension systems that are at the core of why so many states are going broke.

I do find it interesting you gripe about the government telling you want to do. I'll let Rand Paul explain my thoughts on what the real problem is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELDHaeEsNF0

Mark, most people do not share in the leftist pro government views that many on this board do. I'm not a big fan of the tea party, but I do think anyone who rails about how we need to pay more taxes is wrong. What we need to do is simplify the tax system and create a fair way for business to operate. It's great Obama likes his health care bill. It's utter crap he exempts unions and his business buddies from it. It was great Bush wanted to protect the country. Likewise it was terrible he gave billion dollar no bid defense contracts to his business friends. What's fair about that? It's a travesty we have one of the worst corporate tax rates in the world. It's an even bigger travesty that most corporations use loopholes to avoid paying so much of it.

I personally would rather cut the bloated entitlement model and just spend what we have. Heaven forbid if we do that, though. The children would all die and the sun would crash into the earth.