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by **Zanchief** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 7:52 am

Lenny Wilkens is a competent coach with full use of all his faculties.

And by faculties, I mean his pooper.

by **vonkaar** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 8:15 am

Alright... Dampier about to sign with New York... that leaves a pretty fat hole in the West for big and talented Centers. As it looks... the East has:

Shaq
Jermaine O'neil
Ben Wallace
Erick Dampier
Mark Blount
Zydrunas Ilgauskas
Zeljko Rebraca

Which... is pretty much all of the best in the league. Golden State was even willing to send Nick Van Excel over for a bigger trade, but Isaiah wasn't interested. That pisses ME off because it shows that we probably could have gotten Nick back in a trade for Erick... God knows we've got more to offer than New York for Dampier =/.

wtf...

If Cuban and Donnie don't do something big with Walker and Stack, I'll be livid. All the players that we need are signing elsewhere... we lost the one player that we definitely HAD to keep... we're making questionable trades... what the fuck is going on???

by **Snero** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 8:54 am

I read, I think it was on the espn website, that free agents are thinking twice about signing with the mavs because it seems like they're willing to trade anybody and I guess some of them are looking for some sort of stability

by **vonkaar** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 8:56 am

wtf? Where could they possibly get that

oh wait

yeah, I can see that =p.

by **Snero** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 8:57 am

here we are

There was already trepidation among some free agents about coming to Dallas because of the Mavs' tendency to shop everyone in trades except Dirk Nowitzki. Mark Cuban's reluctance to guarantee Nash more than four years and $36 million, after years of free spending, rocked the industry. If he was set on giving Nash no more than a four-year contract, Cuban could come to regret not offering $50 million-plus for that span ... an offer Nash says he would have taken.

by **Zanchief** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 11:02 am

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1839883

Grrrrr....

They're going to get nothing for him. This sux.

by **Snero** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 1:33 pm

thats only if you consider a bunch of overpayed hacks nothing

by **Malluas** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 4:25 pm

Cuban looks like he is going the Maloofs way. Wait till the huge contracts run out so they can get big names in free angency in a couple years.

Kings might be trading Bobby Jackson and or Peja still. Peja is unhappy with Vlade leaving. Rumor has it bobby jackson said he won't come back if he doesn't start.

And Kings are gonna shop Chris if he is at 85% by mid season.

This is Adelman's last year unless he wins it all.

I bet by next season the kings will have a mostly new roster. Bibby Webber will probably still be there but who knows

ANd the mavs are on falling fast into the pits of shittiness. They couldn't beat the kings last year with how bad the kings were playing, and they lost Nash who was the catalyst of their offense. I bet Don Nelson is fired half way thru the season.

Top 5 (6) in the west now

Spurs (i think had best off season)
Wolves (just cause of who they have now)
Kings (experience which got them by last year)
Nuggets/Rockets (offseason and were up and coming)
Memphis (cause there isn't another team near after these 5

Who knows abot the rockets tho. Tracy doesn't pass alot just like Stevie and Yao when he gets the ball alot the Rockets usually win.

by **vonkaar** » Sat Jul 24, 2004 12:30 pm

I think that the King's outlook is no better than the Mavs. You have to take into mind the amount of trading that the Mavs are still looking at. The current Mavs roster wouldn't even make the playoffs. We have some amazing young talent that we will KEEP, and some fat expiring contracts that we are going to trade. As it stands, we *are* one of the losers in the off-season, but that will change. Well, I hope it will... I should say.

IF Dallas gets a center... IF we get some good trades with Stackhouse, Laettner and Walker... we could rank a lot higher by the time the season starts.

San Antonio is looking SOOO strong it's crazy. I can't believe Malone would turn down that offer... that's one of the best looking teams I've seen in Several Summers... probably since 97.

I think it's nearsighted to place Houston, Memphis and Denver over Dallas. Memphis still doesn't impress me. Houston and Denver have changed too much for us to give ANY type of prediction. They are a completely new team. Same goes for Utah.

by **Zanchief** » Sat Jul 24, 2004 12:38 pm

Denver and Houston are better than the mavs, Vonk.

I think Cuban traded himself into a hole. No one wants Laettner, Walker or Stackhouse because they are crappy crappy players. You traded for over rated talent with the possibility of trading them, now Dallas realizes they can't dish them to anyone and they're stuck with em.

You are right on the money with the Spurs though. If they get Malone they could very well be a 70 win team.

by **Rotj** » Sat Jul 24, 2004 3:41 pm

What would happen if Dallas kept all those expiring contracts? Would they still be major players next year in the free agent market? Or are they still over the cap that they can only offer the mid-level?

by **vonkaar** » Mon Jul 26, 2004 6:35 pm

Sure... they'd have about 25million in cap-space next year. We have a *lot* of expiring cap-space right now... which *could* be good for us and it could be good for others. With our current roster, we'd be heavy contenders for the 7th or 8th spot.

Zanchief, I won't argue Stack or Laettner anymore... Laettner's finest moments were between College and the NBA... probably the only player in the history of American sports that can say that. However... Walker *is* a great player... under the right circumstances. Prior to joining the Mavs and our heavy run&gun style of play, many writers were calling him the best all-around player in the league. He simply did NOT fit in with our style. If Isaiah Thomas has his way and dumps a few defensive mid-level players on Dallas for Walker, Antoine would likely be New York's top player next year... even above Houston and Marbury. Paul Pierce is the shit right now, but he was second-mate to 'Toine 2 years ago.

I really think that Walker could EXCEL in New York this year... enough to help New York *far* in the playoffs, maybe even the finals if they manage to get either Crawford or Dampier as well.

Dallas made a small step in the right direction today. I know most of you will probably give no credit to Calvin Booth... but... we did back in 2000... we still will. Many of Dallas' sportswriters have said that one of our biggest weaknesses is shot-blocking... that we haven't had a shot-blocker since Calvin Booth in 00. SURE, a Dirk, Shaq, Steve line would be INSANE... but we really don't need an offensive center. We simply need to relieve some of the defensive pressure off of Dirk. If he doesn't have to defend the pick so much... if he doesn't have to stop the hard post players... he can concentrate on his outstanding rebounding abilities and let the 'other' guys do their work. Calvin Booth *should* fill the biggest defensive hole quite well. Sure, he's no Ratcliff... but he IS a great shot-blocker.

In addition... we really didn't have to give up anything for the trade. Fortson was another player that really didn't fit in Dallas. He was outstanding in Golden-State, but he's simply too short to play center in the Dallas system.

Good news on that front... Pavel is actually starting to impress a lot of people. D.J. (the Congo guy I mentioned earlier) and he really could turn out to be stars. Maybe not immediately... hell, PROBABLY not immediately... but everyone is going on about their potential. They were players that NELLIE chose, not Cuban or Donnie. Nellie's brains are those that we should be picking. He was the one that loved Josh Howard and Marquis Daniels. He was the one that pushed for doing EVERYTHING in our power to get Dirk with Milwaukee's #1 pick. He's a smart guy... if he says that our rookie centers will be studs someday... I put my faith in he.

Anyway...

Not a *big* deal today, but a small step in the right direction. On a 1 to 100 scale... and only considering 'actual' possibilities... getting Dampier would probably be a... 90. The Calvin Booth trade is more like a 10. But... that's all that we need right now, after an otherwise dissapointing off-season.

Trade Walker, Stackhouse, Laettner and *cough* Bradley. Get us ONE solid defensive player in the mix... Dallas will be a better team than last year. You Kings and Wolves fans cannot argue against Dallas' YOUTH. That's our ONLY fallback =p. We've still got many years of playoff contention ahead of us... can't say the same for the 'aging' Western powers. Although... Houston, Utah and Denver ... watch out.

Finally...

If Houston can't land a decent point-guard soon... they *will* be in trouble. I don't know why they don't go after Travis Best... he's a good free-agent veteren PG. He won't get any playing-time in Dallas next year... we already got the best veteren PG on the market in AJ... who are they holding out for?

by **Zanchief** » Mon Jul 26, 2004 7:07 pm

I agree walker would be a good fit as an 3-4 off the bench, but why would a young rebuilding team want an aging forward who doesn't play defense.

He's a good fit in NY but like all other NY deals that are echoed in the media, NY has nothing to trade. They have taken every bad contract in the NBA to grab some talent and now they have nothing to trade.

by **vonkaar** » Mon Jul 26, 2004 7:35 pm

Well... their nothing is actually a lot of players that Dallas would like. I'd take a Mutumbo / Thomas deal for Walker. He's not really 'aging' necessarily. He was drafted in 96. When Malone and Miller are playing... that's aging.

Walker is also in his contract year... you *know* he'd play his heart out in NY. Thomas knows this and really likes Walker... so... we'll see.

My biggest fear is that you prove to be right - Dallas can't find anyone to dump those 3 players on and we start the season with a patchwork roster. It would be a shame to have 35 million on the bench.

by **Zanchief** » Mon Jul 26, 2004 9:00 pm

He's not old, but no rebuilding team will touch him unless their looking for the cap room.

by **Rotj** » Mon Jul 26, 2004 11:42 pm

I'm still in heavy doubt about the optimism given to Denver following K-Mart's signing. They would have been better off saving that money to make a run at the T-Mac sweepstakes (assuming he doesn't re-sign with Houston) or going for a Q.Richardson + E.Ginobili combo. He's just an overpaid power player with a crap mid-range shot and piss-poor rebounding. Sure he can play some D, but it's a pity he's going to get creamed in the West.

by **vonkaar** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 7:15 am

It's true that he doesn't have the offensive presence to be a *huge* impact in the West... however, Denver needed a strong post player more than they needed a strong midrange guard. Although, I still think their guards are a bit small for the West. I think T-Mac wanted to play with Yao... any guard would. I think Manu wanted to stay with Tim... anyBODY would. I think Kobe was staying in L.A.. Denver's best shot was with K-Mart.

They already were a good team... their YOUTH is what makes them so imposing for me. They won't be a conf finalist this year, but they honestly could be a home-court team.

by **vonkaar** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 8:09 am

Also, for those that may have missed the reference in my Christian Laettner comment...

BOOM!

by **The Kizzy** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 1:39 pm

Hmmmm Those guys look familiar

by **vonkaar** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 1:54 pm

They are nobodies. Laettner carried that team.

by **The Kizzy** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 2:16 pm

ok, if you say so

by **Snero** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 11:20 am

is that stockton or mark cuban?

by **Zanchief** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 9:59 am

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1849872

Two sources inside the Nets organization told the New York Daily News that while the team has discussed trading Kidd to the Dallas Mavericks, no deal is in the works at this time.

by **vonkaar** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 10:29 am

I'll just quote from the emails I've been sending to my other Mav's buddy...
Semi-Long conversation.

God wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike [mailto:******]
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 8:13 AM
To: Charles
Subject: RE: Man charged with meth manufacture after pants explode

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1849872

The sports talk guy said that Kidd in Dallas with 'decent' (read: not necessarily PERFECT) performance from our new and old Centers would get us a ring. The two NBA people up at work agree with that statement... the Spurs and Laker's fans, I mean... they both know NBA well.

-----Original Message-----
From: Charles [mailto:*****]
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 8:48 AM
To: Mike
Subject: RE: Man charged with meth manufacture after pants explode

Interesting. I disagree with that. I don’t believe Jason Kidd is the answer to anything. He is a better passer then Steve…he doesn’t NEED to score…we have Dirk and Finley for that, and Marquis has proven he can score. Even if our Centers play ‘decent’, Timmy D down in San Antonio will eat us alive. I think Kidd would make us better then we are but not at the expense of Howard.

Chuck

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike [mailto:******]
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 9:12 AM
To: Charles
Subject: RE: Man charged with meth manufacture after pants explode

The way the Nets owner is playing lately... I think he'd be just as interested in all of our remaining picks as he would be with Howard. Seriously... I mean, he traded Kenyon Martin and Kerry Kittles and all he got in return was 3 2nd round picks and 1 first-round. For those two players? Holy crap, what a fool. All of that just to avoid paying luxury tax. If he traded Kidd for Walker and 3 picks, not only would he get out of ANY luxury tax this year... he'd basically dominate the draft next year. Who needs Howard when you have the entire graduating class of 2005?

Aaand... Duncan isn't officially a Center =p. Neither is K.G. They certainly play like it... evensomuch as to take away minutes from their 'real' centers, but they still don't stay deep in the middle like centers are supposed to. So... we can still play our stickier 'bigger' forwards like Howard, Najera and (hopefully) Kurt Thomas on Duncan. He'd still score 30, grab 15 and block 5... but that's better than allowing him to... to... ah hell, he's not going to be stopped by anyone in the West, why try? Detroit and Indiana are the only teams that can stop K.G. and Duncan offensively. Defensively, Dallas can hang with both of them (off the boards, anyway). Brent Barry... however... scares me in San Antonio. All of the sudden, Parker isn't their only outside presence.

-----Original Message-----
From: Charles [mailto:*****]
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 9:16 AM
To: Mike
Subject: RE: Man charged with meth manufacture after pants explode

If we can keep these players…Dirk, Finley, Booth, Daniels, Howard, Najera, Avery, Harris…and then trade/sign any of the others…for Thomas, Kidd, Dampier. Wow…could you imagine that…

Chuck

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike [mailto:*****]
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 9:33 AM
To: Charles
Subject: RE: Man charged with meth manufacture after pants explode

Hah... Imagine THIS lineup:

Starters:

Jason Kidd - PG

Marquis Daniels - SG

Michael Finley - SF

Dirk Nowitzki - PF

Erick Dampier - C

-------------
Devin Harris - PG rotation

Josh Howard - SF rotation

Kurt Thomas - PF rotation

Booth, Didier Ilunga-Mbenga, Pavel Podkolzin - C rotation

Bradley, Najera, Avery Johnson - Roleplayers.

That's a conf-championship team. Good Chemistry = Championship team. Of course... getting Dampier AND Kidd AND Thomas AND keeping Howard would take Harry Potter-esque wizardry. Meaning... not gonna happen...

-----Original Message-----
From: Charles [mailto:******]
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 9:36 AM
To: Mike
Subject: RE: Man charged with meth manufacture after pants explode

That is a Championship team. That team would win the Championship this year.

It can happen! I’ll make some phone calls.

Chuck

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike [mailto:******]
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 9:53 AM
To: Charles
Subject: RE: Man charged with meth manufacture after pants explode

Now... take Dampier out of the mix... put Pavel Podkolzin, Didier Ilunga-Mbenga and Calvin Booth as our centers. Keep Jason Kidd as the playmaker... let Marquis keep driving the lane like Evil Kineivel (fearless)... Dirk rain in his "can't-miss" 15-footers... Finley doing his normal jack-of-trades fadeaways, postups, dunks and 3pointers... our weak-center role wouldn't be that bad because the other teams already have WAY more than enough to concentrate on.. Do you know that last year, Kidd played a full-strength Orlando... grabbed 16 rebounds, scored 16 points, dished 9 assists, stole 3 balls and even blocked 2 shots? That's the sort of 'Bibby' that we need.

It's weird... I mean, I've always respected him... in that, "I hate him" kind of way... but the idea of having him back in Dallas with Dirk is REALLY starting to grow on me.

Althroughout the Shaq trading days... I kept hearing Randy Galloway say, "you can't expect to GET a superstar without trading one of your own." Meaning... there's no way we can get Shaq without trading Dirk. He had all these examples of huge blockbuster trades... the only time a SUPERstar is traded is by either completely scrapping your roster (Miami for Shaq, Houston for T-Mac) or trading away your OWN superstar. He then listed his top 12 superstars, which I'll paraphrase with my own list...

Shaq
T-Mac
Kobe
Dirk
Kidd
Jermaine O'Neil or Ben Wallace, depending on your preference. Not both though.
Bibby
Yao
Duncan
K.G.
Iverson
Peja or Webb... if you have faith... if not, Lebron because of his market.

If you want K.G., you have to have a Yao to offer, or fuggetaboutit. If you want Dirk, bring the Duncan or get out of our house. We 'possibly' have the opportunity to BREAK both rules. We could get another superstar, without giving up our own - without scrapping our whole team. That alone should make sense of the deal.

by **Zanchief** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 10:45 am

Are you Chuck?

Cause he's kind of a moron.

Wow imagine if the raptors could trade Lamond Murray for Shaq and Jerome Moiso for T-Mac and Rafer Alston for Kidd

PG - Kidd
SG - Carter
SF - T-Mac
PF - Chris Bosh
Center - Shaq

With Rose and Marshal off the bench wow that's a contender.

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