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Mark Cuban's answer to US Basketball

Postby vonkaar » Fri Aug 20, 2004 6:47 am

Wise man.

Mark Cuban - Blogmaverick.com wrote:Team USA - The Answer
Posted Aug 18, 2004, 10:33 AM ET
This guy nailed it. When he is right, he is right. A tweak here and there, and we probably can apply the same principles to our teams over here — in multiple sports.

Comments Canadians have gone through much of this “international game is different, we have the best players but don’t win, etc.” business over the last decade or so in hockey. The parallels in many ways are eerie, and well worth looking into. The influx of Europeans into the NHL draft was a huge issue in the late 90s, for instance.

But strangely, after some huge disappointments (e.g. the men’s team not winning in the Nagano Olympics) the country radically changed the way it handles international competitions. And I do mean radically.

First, they appointed a “general manager” responsible for personal selection for each international team. They do this for the annual tournaments like the World Junior’s and for the multi-year ones like the World Cup and the Olympics. This GM basically acts like the GM of a major franchise. He scouts for player selection, both on Canada’s team and to identify the strengths/weaknesses of other country’s teams. He selects the coaching staff. He is in charge of the whole process.

In Salt Lake City, after Canada tied a (much) inferior team, he gave a (now-famous) rant to the media about how the refereeing was biased against his team and how everybody in the world wanted the team to fail. The talk worked: the team didn’t have even a marginally close game the rest of the way. He took *responsibility* for the whole process.

Second, the country as a whole — politicians, editorialists, and average fans — made it clear that losing wasn’t acceptable. Sure, international rules are different — the size of the rink is completely different! So what? We expect our teams to return with a gold medal each and every year in each and every tournament. Always.

Third, a wide array of developmental programs at the youth level were changed to help address the skill-deficiencies that had become evident at the international level. In hockey it was primarily skating and passing that had been under-emphasized for greater defensive and physical play. The bigger ice-surfaces in international hockey made this far more apparent. So now young players (e.g. age 6 and up) here get lots more training on those issues.

Fourth, being a member of the team was treated and regarded as a *privilege*, not a right. At any one time there may be three or four players in the NHL who would be assured of an invitation: the Shaq, KG, TD, and Kobe of the NHL, basically. The rest of the team? They go to a *TRY-OUT CAMP*. That’s right. Professional players get together with the coaches and go through drills and practices for a few days to get to know each other and for the coaches to see how they would fit together. There have been players who played themselves into positions on a team during these camps, and players who played themselves out of positions here too. This works because team membership is treated as a privilege.

Fifth, and finally, there was a concerted effort to decide on a style of play — from the GM down to the coaching staff — and to choose players that would fit that style. Recently one of Canada’s defensemen for the upcoming World Cup of Hockey withdrew. The coaches selected a youngish player who had attended the try-out camp. In explaining why they selected this guy, they explicitly described how his game was suited to both the style they wanted to play and to the structure and flow of the international game.

One final example of this approach at work: in Nagano, the Czech Republic had the single best player in the world on their team (Jagr). He was dominating the NHL, and was a threat to score just about every time he stepped on the ice. Team Canada knew that the Czechs were probably semi-final match-ups, so they took a defensive specialist with them. For that one game, he matched up with Jagr and held the guy scoreless the entire game. That’s like taking a Bowen or Artest on your team so that you can handle Arroyo or whoever else happens to get hot.
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Postby Azlana » Fri Aug 20, 2004 6:49 am

I didn't read that, I just know you hate it when people mess up your basketball threads. F YOU!
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Postby Zanchief » Fri Aug 20, 2004 6:51 am

Moral or the story? Canada rules at hockey.
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Postby vonkaar » Fri Aug 20, 2004 6:51 am

People should just back off... this is Zanchief and my domain. When you CA fuckwads come here and diss on Duncan or whatever else you don't know about... GO DIE.
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Postby Azlana » Fri Aug 20, 2004 6:54 am

I don't know if I've mentioned it or not - but wow is the us basketball team halfassed! p.s. you can delete my posts, I'm just waiting to take J to the knee doc so I thought I'd ruin your post. HAHA!
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Postby Tacks » Fri Aug 20, 2004 6:56 am

HAHA!
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Postby vonkaar » Fri Aug 20, 2004 6:58 am

GET OUT OF MY ONLY SANCTUARY ON NT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BASKETBALL IS MY ELITE CLUB OF ELITE ELITISTS!!!
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Postby Zanchief » Fri Aug 20, 2004 7:25 am

<---elitist
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Postby Harrison » Fri Aug 20, 2004 7:37 am

Hi guys
How do you like this spoiler, motherfucker? -Lyion
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Postby Zanchief » Fri Aug 20, 2004 8:30 am

I was thinking the same thing about baseball, world’s worst sport.

Why people actually care about a sport that requires less athleticism than bowling is beyond me.
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Postby Ouchyfish » Fri Aug 20, 2004 8:39 am

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bah n/m..
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Postby Zanchief » Fri Aug 20, 2004 8:41 am

NamelessRex wrote:You can slam baseball all you want, but this much I know-any street hood rat can walk out on a court and do what them shitheads on tv do--not possible with baseball.


Wrong. Baseball is the easiest sport in the world to play. Basketball takes practice to master.
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Postby Tadpole » Fri Aug 20, 2004 10:41 am

Wrong. Baseball is the easiest sport in the world to play. Basketball takes practice to master.


i would like to see you hit a 90mph+ fastball, or 20 of the other different pitches.
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Postby Ouchyfish » Fri Aug 20, 2004 10:44 am

I gave up on it, Tadpole. He's canadian. They only understand hockey and moose basketball. (A derivative of our donkey basketball.)
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Postby Zanchief » Fri Aug 20, 2004 10:44 am

Can you dunk? Can knock down a 20ft fade away with a 6'7 guy on your back.

Didn't think so.
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Postby Ouchyfish » Fri Aug 20, 2004 10:47 am

Zanchief wrote:Can you dunk? Can knock down a 20ft fade away with a 6'7 guy on your back.

Didn't think so.


Oh now theres a skill you can't find on any fucking playground in the world.
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Postby Rzail » Fri Aug 20, 2004 10:49 am

Zanchief wrote:Can you dunk? Can knock down a 20ft fade away with a 6'7 guy on your back.

Didn't think so.



I can...on a 5 ft. rim. C'mon Zan...you know as well as I do, most players do not play "D", so ya...I can make a 20ft fadeaway with a 6'8 guy on my back :D

I love baseball and basketball. They are both respectable sports.
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Postby Zanchief » Fri Aug 20, 2004 10:51 am

Nope, I've been on many.

Baseball is a hobby like darts and lawn bowling. It requires zero athletic ability or exertion.

The average baseball player is too fat to last 5 minutes on a basketball court. But they are revered as gods because it's the American pastime. Fat out of shape moron throwing a ball around. That's American alright.
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Postby Tacks » Fri Aug 20, 2004 11:05 am

I can dunk, am I basketball master now?

I'm Shaqtastic
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Postby Zanchief » Fri Aug 20, 2004 11:06 am

Taxx wrote:I can dunk, am I basketball master now?


No, you're a liar.
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Postby Ouchyfish » Fri Aug 20, 2004 11:18 am

So being able to dunk a basketball and shoot a fadeaway makes someone ungodly athletic, the likes of which ancient Geece would drool? Give me a fucking break. Basketball is about as simple and mind numbing as NASCAR. Do you get off on watching cars drive around in a circle too? I bet the drive-thru at the local McDonalds gives ya wood.
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Postby Tacks » Fri Aug 20, 2004 11:19 am

Uh ok

PS: I can dunk...I could dunk in highschool. I wasn't great at basketball but I was decent enough to start.
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Postby Mop » Fri Aug 20, 2004 11:21 am

I can dunk a basketball np I just think it is a waste of my time
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Postby Rzail » Fri Aug 20, 2004 11:32 am

Zanchief wrote:Nope, I've been on many.

Baseball is a hobby like darts and lawn bowling. It requires zero athletic ability or exertion.

The average baseball player is too fat to last 5 minutes on a basketball court. But they are revered as gods because it's the American pastime. Fat out of shape moron throwing a ball around. That's American alright.


I do agree that basketball is more "athletic" than baseball, but saying that it requires zero atheltic ability is wrong. Also true that there are some fat baseball players , but let us not forgot Tractor Traylor, O-Miller, etc. :D

Even though baseball is regarded as the American pastime, it is not nearly as popular as football or basketball. Who do you think is more popular in the US? Shaq or Bonds?
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Postby Tadpole » Fri Aug 20, 2004 11:33 am

Look at the rapid growth of Basketball players coming out of high-school.

Oh, and I would have to say Bonds is more popular at the moment.
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